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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class - Electron return time

Postby htmagic » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:41 am

Linda,

On our discussions with Willis Lamb, he got the Nobel Prize for looking at the atomic structure of the hydrogen atom, the simplest atom (element) in the Universe. The 2s, 2p shells are orbital paths or rings like the classic Bohr atom. Envision it like the paths of the planets (electrons) in our solar system that travel in rings around the sun (nucleus). When the electrons are excited, they jump to outer orbital shells. When they jump back down, they emit energy as a photon (light) or some other means. The time it takes for this electron to return to its normal (unexcited) state is what this term means. While the atom is excited before the energy transfer back to a lower state, one could manipulate the atom with magnetic fields as the electron is farther from the nucleus. The electron could be ripped away from the nucleus, creating an ion. This also can expose the nucleus from the shielding of the electron (for hydrogen). Once the nucleus is exposed, you could add more protons, neutrons, and electrons and transmute the hydrogen atom into any element. Or rip apart the nucleus and disintegrate the atom entirely.

Hope this explanation is clear. My 2 cents worth...
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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby natecull » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:24 am

Linda Brown wrote:Its a very familiar phrase to me but I don't really understand . Dad first started using that phrase with me when we talked about Neils Bohr when I was just a kid. He said that one of the things that Bohr was most puzzled with was the path of an electron ... how it could change from one speed to another ... and how it knew what speed to change to. As if it had somehow ( while nobody could see it) switched lanes on a freeway and had seen a posted speed sign that was new and then adjusted itself to that speed. ( I was nine remember during most of this conversation so it s a good thing that he kept it simple for me). Bohr he said never quite figured who put the sign up.


Thanks, so that means that when your dad used the phrase he definitely did mean it in the quantum-mechanical, electron orbit sense. And yes that 'how do the electrons know the right speed and change their orbits instantly' thing is one of the major puzzles which led to abandoning the Rutherford 'electrons like planets around a sun' mechanics and going to the fuzzy, smeared-out electron wavefunctions of quantum theory. If I remember the book 'Quantum' right.


And he also mentioned it more than once to me. So its important and I am getting the hint from you now that this is cutting edge certainly and it has alot more to do with fusion and perhaps was one of the reasons that Dad caught Pauls interest more than normally.


My sense is that the concept itself is not novel but being able to directly measure it as a quantity is very new. And I'd think that a system which is exciting electrons rather than just moving them and cares directly about how long they take to "recharge" is probably acting something like a laser (or maser, which came first ) and is doing something rather subtle. Masers emerged around 1953 and led to atomic clocks. Very precision timekeeping. I don't know if your Dad's devices were quite that sensitive to atom-level tuning so they probably weren't resonating in quite the same way. But... I wonder if there might have been branches of similar ideas which your Dad explored.

The common link would be high-frequency modulation or pulsing of the electrical signal. A static field wouldn't care about electron return time, I would think. But a pulsed one would have to be tuned somehow.
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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby Linda Brown » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:41 am

Nate'

And I know that your musings are on the right track though I wish I could give you exact thoughts on this.... I just can confirm that "pulsing" was a word that was used often, even from Morgan to Paul. So hang on to this:

"The common link would be high-frequency modulation or pulsing of the electrical signal. A static field wouldn't care about electron return time, I would think. But a pulsed one would have to be tuned somehow."

And I think that you will find yourself on the right track. GO FORTH with my best wishes. Linda
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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby PeeTee » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:23 pm

AS a matter of Fact, Pulses and time based Frequency manipulation has everything to do with the the technology. It's up to everyone to find out why TIME itself is so important in this. May I recomend that everyone look at the "S48 Gravity Cruise" of the 1920s and 30s

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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby Hut Master » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:53 pm

Mr. PeeTee, do you sense a link between gravity and time?
Was not sidereal time a consideration for regularly occurring gravity "fluctuations" which when coupled with the departure from the Gravity constant? Perhaps then it would not be inconsiderate to say that based on the current physical model, in light of the empirical data, there is no such thing as specific gravity, unless all of the other factors are also considered at the time these calculations are performed.

It would also seem to one so fond of the elemental forces, that I feel the spinning of these intense magnetic fields, and a very high density of electric charge that seems to be concentrated in the northern polar region of Earth. The denity is so great that even minute perturbations will produce ions, plasma,photons that shimmer in the polar sky as the Aurora Borealis. Hidden there in plain sight is your answer to all of the energy needs of the Earth without any fuels whatsoever.

An abundance of electromagnetic energy is pulsing just a few thousand miles to the north of you just waiting for someone to play the right music and unlock the door to clean and free power for the planet to share.

But what human(s) will open source it?

The energy is there and you "only" need to build the right receiver to use it.
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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby natecull » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:07 pm

Maybe this is the wrong thread for it but since you mentioned the gravity cruises:

http://books.google.co.nz/books?hl=en&l ... 22&f=false

"The Search for Gravitational Absorption in the Early 20th Century"
by Roberto de Andrade Martins
in "The Expanding Worlds of General Relativity" by Hubert Goenner
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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby PeeTee » Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:27 pm

OK... Now that was a GREAT LINK natecull!!!

Thanks.

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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby kevin » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:55 am

Natecull,
An absorbing link, I particurally like majorana, the Italian chap that was onto infra red and ultraviolet communications, until it was suddenly stopped, hmmmmm.
I wander about huge stones called megaliths, i take carefull note of where they were placed, and the cyclic alignments they interacted with, going with the flows.
And the flows go in layers as they circulate this planet, layer upon layer with vortex pathways creating spirals.
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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby kevin » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:14 am

I mean't to put a link here to Milesmathis, I really like this chap.
http://www.milesmathis.com/allias.html

Everybody looks at the mass, instead think of the so called empty space, then think how the mass creates an interaction with the FLOWING empty space, thus the mass is the bubbles, the empty space far denser.
With the megaliths look at the ditchs around the henges, the ditch is more important than anything else, they never look at what isn't there, they are fixated on looking at mass, I prefer the wide open areas.
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Re: Beginners Electromagnetism Class

Postby kevin » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:17 am

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