Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

[LuisP]

But then again, I enjoy my steaks rare ....

[StarCat]

My phone auto corrected my post and I didn't catch it. It was supposed to be Borg, not Borgia. I can't lift my laptop right now, so my posting is all from my too smart for me phone. Sigh.

Rare steak? Yum!

Cat

[FM No Static At All]

I have been reading much of what has been posted recently without comments of my own. Who is real and who is a character of a delusional mind, who is in conspiracy with who and what is their agenda, and so much other crap that still exists as aftershocks that date back to the original ttbrown.com/forum started by Paul Schatzkin as he was writing Defying Gravity.

Without boring you with how my involvement started and how I was 'outed' as the administrator or Hut Master, I can say without hesitation that Mikado is a stand up guy. He is not plotting with Linda or anyone else. His involvement was and is the science of electrogravitics and it is his time, energy, and finances that were being spent to prove Dr. Brown's theories.

The problems and drama is all the creation of Linda Brown. Characters in her book and in Paul's were only real in her reality. The man called Morgan and later J.D. never was a spy. Twigsnapper is not real. And I have no time to argue or try to explain the obvious psychotic behavior exhibited by Ms. Brown. Meeting for the first time made me uneasy about what I was feeling. But the second meeting confirmed it. I cannot be part of a lie.

It is all too difficult to admit being conned. One likes to think that they are too intelligent to fall for something that in retrospect seems so obvious. The difficulty was compounded by the manipulations via PM or telephone calls that pitted each of us against the other.

My personal feelings toward several key members of this drama are based on character. When I flew to Pennsylvania to bury my wife, Mikado was there. Linda Brown was not. Less than a week later, I went to meet Linda and others in Las Vegas. Late one night I told Linda that if things continue as they are, someone is going to get hurt. I told no one about our conversation.

The week of Thanksgiving was spent in California and I again met with Linda and George. First time I met him. Seems like a stand up guy who has a lot of pain. That was the second time meeting with Linda. I was with a cousin and his wife. On the drive back to Playa del Rey, Mary said something about an affair being kept from someone. I chose not to speak about what I knew to be true.

The reason that I speak out now is because it's time to move on past all this drama and steer this forum back into what it can be. This needs to be a forum of exploration. Science, pseudo-science, theories, metaphysical, whatever seems interesting to look into with open minds and a willingness to learn as well as teach.

I am no scientist, but I do have a good understanding of many things. I am also open to learning from others who approach things from a different perspective than mine. Perhaps if enough of the different facets are merged together instead of pulled apart, we may make some fascinating discoveries. Perhaps.

Perhaps some feed off of the negative energy that has permeated the many people associated with these forums, and they don't want to lose the source of their illusion of power over others.

Time will tell. It always does.

[DavidG]

Seems we have felt the same pull of desire to once and for all drop it all from a cliff, Fred, with my thread titled...$&@)/ has left the building....I am done for good myself

Perhaps a purge of threads regarding her to a separate area is at hand, where those who wish to see her insanity can go, and not interfere with any real science or study amongst members?

Perhaps a ban threat for anyone posting anything in regard to the situation in any area but that one as well?

Not sure how one removes years of insanity from the psyche of members, but to allow her to have any vestigial remnant of a place here in public would be a bad idea in my opinion.

The air will be fresher, and the work and sharing can continue unfettered then....just some thoughts.

Thanks for your post, Fred.

[wags]

FM Static Wrote:-

"...Perhaps some feed off of the negative energy that has permeated the many people associated with these forums, and they don't want to lose the source of their illusion of power over others."

Or find it hard to admit not spotting the 'delusion' earlier. Perfectly natural but in the long term not a good plan. The full responsibility lies with the 'fantasist' who drew the illusion not with those affected by it.

[kevin]

I stand in the defense of Linda.
And ask ...WHY????
Would anything about Her father have bubbled to the surface without a degree of fiction greasing the cogs, as such???
I know She stood by Me when all about doubted Me, should I not therefore stand by Her?
Even if I am baffled by the actions of the blind attack dog myles.
The dog was ably assisted by a bat.

This to Me has always been akin to Alice in wonderland.
It would greatly help if Linda explained Herself and Her motives, but I fear not.

I forgive all whatever...otherwise it becomes baggage.

To carry off the type of deceptions been suggested after all would need a very special person to maintain.

Kevin

[FM No Static At All]

My good man Kevin,
It must be difficult for someone who can see so much beyond the mundane to admit being unable to see through the spin. Like you, I too did not see what was plainly in front of me, because I was looking for something else. Perhaps I wanted to believe that it all was true because I wanted it to be.

Regardless of the motives, lying to those whom are called friends is not what I will accept as a true friend. As I have stated on many occasions regarding trust and respect: I will trust and respect until such a time as it becomes apparent that the trust is misplaced and the respect is not mutual.

Those who remember back in 2008 on Paul's forum, I was constantly at loggerheads with one Mr. Mikado, who not only questioned what I posted, but also asked for references. At first I thought it was merely because I was the new kid on the block so to speak, and that I was being audacious to come on the scene and offer something that was not part of the current paradigm of the time. But the more I came to know him, it became clear that respect and trust were always given. The references are always necessary to substantiate a claim or a theory that lacks empirical data to prove one's claim.

I feel that Mr. Schatzkin threw up his hands and exclaimed, "No mas!" Not because he didn't have verification, but to the contrary, did have evidence to show that what he was accepting as facts were in fact fabrications. Remember also that his 'Epic Fail" was not accusatory. It was after that forum closed and a new one created that all of the animosity toward Paul began. And Most of us participated in ostracizing the man in defense of poor Ms. Linda Brown, who only wanted to make her father's story known. The problem was not with her father nor with his science. It was the fabricated stories that Ms. Brown concocted to make it seem sensational and the lies used to cover truths that was the cause of Paul's ending the relationship.

An author, editor, or a publisher is only as good as their reputation. I know first hand as I was married to an editorial professional who did have an excellent reputation and did her very best in maintaining that reputation by being diligent, ethical, and honest.

Many of us ridiculed Mr. Schatzkin because of the time it took him to write and publish his book about Philo T. Farnsworth. Having read the book and understanding all of the research that was required to stay accurate, the time is not relevant to the end result. Accuracy was the reason it took a long time. Sometimes the verification is not forthcoming, and one has to 'wait for it' to come to them.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. It is only when those beliefs and opinions are forced on me that I have issue with them. Or when one's loyalty is questioned because you don't accept something at face value and seek to discover facts to verify or debunk. And that my friends is exactly what happened to the many good people (and not so good) who were involved in the book, forum, science, and general 'rabbit hole' path we were all led down.

I thought that the leader was to be Dr. Brown, or at least his theories and patented inventions. I was led to believe that their were 'forces' at work who were deliberately leading us all to some truth that because of positions within the 'intelligence network' they could not just tell us about directly. Sort of like saying, "Look under that rock, but you didn't hear anything about a rock from me."

Perhaps like me, you too were focused so intently on the rock, that you ignored the person pointing you in the direction we were shown. Perhaps it was our own wanting to believe in the magical mystery tour that prevented us from seeing the source of all the mystery was a single source and that there were no corroborating facts to verify.

I trust we all learned something from the experience and can now move on with our lives and our pursuits in life without being hindered by these pylons that we have finally traveled past.

[LuisP]

Yes.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6 ... fWlot6h_JM



No.

[LuisP]

The full responsibility lies with the 'fantasist' who drew the illusion not with those affected by it.

FWIW,

Wrong.
This is not kindergarten nor are we talking about teenagers.

There was - and is - a Will.

And a Choice.
And Reasons leading to that choice.
And Motives leading to those reasons.
And Satisfaction or Gratification or Greed leading to those motives.

All that has nothing to do with the Other, but with the Self.

To not recognize this - far as I'm concerned, and that isn't much, I agree - makes you all sound like crying babies on a tantrum.

It is depressing.

And what's more - it is just another Lie.

But hey.

[LuisP]

I stand in the defense of Linda.

Kevin

Seeing so much self mortification, exemptions and ex culpas while making the Other the fountain of all Wrong, and by it the Excuse of Self stupidity and responsability ....

Well, it too turns my stomach.



Said my piece, and my peace.