Since cannabis was brought up

[wags]

I cannot easily intercede let alone sort out logistics. I also have one or two health issues myself and one of the problems is carrying to many burdens as it has been put to me. If he asks I will do something if I can. I can help Penny better.

[Mikado14]

I got permission from the author to cross post this:
When you've been using the stuff for a few decades it's easy to forget the wonder of discovery..

Hey everyone,
So I'm back in Nimbin now, (have been since Febuary) and four days ago, I bought a two foot tall hookah, and ten grams of Nimbin's finest to burn in it. I've been almost continually stoned (to varying degrees) ever since.

My point is, that I've realised that the reason for my disruptive behaviour here in the past, was literally the fact that I wasn't stoned, at the time. Over the four days that I've been stoned, I've noticed that I've become a much kinder, more compassionate, and more positive person. What I've been writing online, as well as my behaviour offline, has been more well received.

Marijuana is for me, as medicinal as it is for anyone else. There are some people around, who are able to experience life without a constant background level of fear; not necessarily huge, perhaps, but there nonetheless. To a large extent, that background fear is not there when I am sufficiently stoned, although it is there pretty much constantly when I am not.

This has made me realise just how arbitrary almost everything is, and that virtually everything we do that we consider so critically necessary, is in reality all just a game to keep us amused. The way that I know that, again, is by virtue of the fact that people who are sufficiently stoned, don't need any of it.

Sometimes when I'm sitting here at the hostel as well, I will hear the usual sort of childish drama going on. There is often some "he-said, she-said," and who currently hates who, and who is supposedly going to beat up who, etc etc. I've noticed that being sufficiently stoned, renders me immune to all of this. I simply view it as pointless to everyone concerned, and cease to care. I still value other people, but I've actually reached a point where that means primarily being interested in what *benefits* people, rather than said people beating each other up.

Another point that I wanted to make was, that Michael Ruppert committed suicide not long ago as most of you know. While I don't exactly have Ruppert's belief system, his level of despair is absolutely something I've experienced before. What I'm realising now, however, is that emotional response to anything is completely arbitrary. I can go to Reddit, or here, or wherever, and read about the most horrific doom porn that you can possibly imagine; yet the thing is, that if I'm sufficiently stoned, I'm just not likely to care all that much.

Yes, I can know about the mass animal die offs, and the environment in general collapsing, and the American government being run by mass-murdering psychopaths, etc etc etc, but I find that when I am sufficiently stoned, it just all goes away. I'm able to relate positively with the people around me, and they with me; we get our needs met, and contrary to what Ruppert apparently thought, the world actually keeps on turning.

I'd like to encourage everyone here who is willing, to start smoking a minimum of probably 1.5 grams of marijuana a day. With this hookah, I can make a single standard cone last for close to 45 minutes, and said hookah also has two additional pipes, allowing other people to smoke as well. As a result of this, I am able to become exceptionally stoned, and maintain that state for extended periods of time, while using a minimal amount of actual bud.

While in this state, I've been able to realise just how much better life can be, if we simply stop panicking about numerous things which we previously thought were important. At this point, my priority is to smoke 2-3 bowls a day. I find that the rest seems to take care of itself.

Okay, maybe I should start smoking it so I will understand this post. Soooo, the person is making a case to smoke pot everyday which will alter his mood/personality whereas he is more amenable to those around him. Do I have that right?

I am failing to see how this has any bearing on the medicinal value of cannaboids with no THC's. Isn't the poster talking about THC's?

Mikado

[Fruitbat]

Can we have an update on tabitha's eating please Soloma?

And Mikado, I cross posted that cannabis posting because there seem to be a few pot users reading this and they might well find his attitude mildly amusing. I thought it fitted the general nature of the thread. IF any one IS thinking of taking his advice, be careful, his recommended dose is by some standards very high. (Pun intended).

FB.

[kevin]

Mikado,
I am glad to see You pulled up fruitbat for that post, I would have been accused of having a go at fruitbat.
My son has had horrendous problems with smoking pot at university, He was close to suicide over the consequences.
He managed to finish His docterate by staying away from university , where it is pushed none stop.

He was experiencing monsters of all sorts, and paranoia went rampant.
I will have no truck with anyone promoting this garbage ( and mostly it is garbage that is sold)

For medicinal purposes I agree it is the best and most suppressed substance on this planet.
Kevin

[DavidG]

Actually it is a good thing for the poster Fruitybat shared....the dude needs either it or a hearty antidepressant, and I never will suggest any pharma crap over a natural cure, no matter how bad smoking it is for them...but, I do feel it is becoming a political tool for many, and both sides are posturing for the next 50 years of pot presence in their society.

Those who do smoke it...ask yourselves..or better yet..ask the conspiracy theorist in you why all of a sudden it is getting shoved through to legality by the very same politicians who swore to uphold laws banning it for so long.

Follow the money for a few years and see....the potheads arent winning a damned thing, and soon they will wish they had sat on the couch and stayed quiet, when they are dealing with the consequences of government controlling their supply with an even more heavy iron fist.

If one does not see what I am trying to say here, try brewing vodka in your bathtub, and selling it to your neighbors, and see how that works out for you....with pot in this scenario, today you would get a misdemeanor or fine, tomorrow you will be facing federal charges and hard time for breaking ATF laws and taking money out of the hands of the elites who are going to profit so hugely from pot's legalization.

Potheads, be careful what you wish for.

[wags]

Actually it is a good thing for the poster Fruitybat shared....the dude needs either it or a hearty antidepressant, and I never will suggest any pharma crap over a natural cure, no matter how bad smoking it is for them...but, I do feel it is becoming a political tool for many, and both sides are posturing for the next 50 years of pot presence in their society.

Those who do smoke it...ask yourselves..or better yet..ask the conspiracy theorist in you why all of a sudden it is getting shoved through to legality by the very same politicians who swore to uphold laws banning it for so long.

Follow the money for a few years and see....the potheads arent winning a damned thing, and soon they will wish they had sat on the couch and stayed quiet, when they are dealing with the consequences of government controlling their supply with an even more heavy iron fist.

If one does not see what I am trying to say here, try brewing vodka in your bathtub, and selling it to your neighbors, and see how that works out for you....with pot in this scenario, today you would get a misdemeanor or fine, tomorrow you will be facing federal charges and hard time for breaking ATF laws and taking money out of the hands of the elites who are going to profit so hugely from pot's legalization.

Potheads, be careful what you wish for.

You make some good points here, the mild tranquilising aspect which FB's post outlined seemed to work, but caution that it does not become a 'Sloth' effect and not doing anything. I surmise that the memory impairment can also be beneficial in some circumstances for the 'short term' to forget a traumatic event and calm some of those symptoms. But I guess moderation is the watch word.

[Mikado14]

And Mikado, I cross posted that cannabis posting because there seem to be a few pot users reading this and they might well find his attitude mildly amusing. I thought it fitted the general nature of the thread. IF any one IS thinking of taking his advice, be careful, his recommended dose is by some standards very high. (Pun intended).

Yes, it is apparent that there are some here who indulge in the THC benefit of marijuana. However, I found the post to be nothing more than someone justifying the need to smoke it. Nothing more than looking for that excuse as to their need. Similar to the person who needs a stiff drink before daring to do something different. I have seen individuals who have smoked all their lives and now they justify the need to smoke for the medicinal value in it. But say to them, well if it is the cannaboids that really have the medicinal effect then why not just use the oil? I would bet the majority will not take the oil. See my point? I can elaborate further if I am not clear but that is how I saw the post as nothing more than justification for an addiction.

Continuing

Actually it is a good thing for the poster Fruitybat shared....the dude needs either it or a hearty antidepressant, and I never will suggest any pharma crap over a natural cure, no matter how bad smoking it is for them...but, I do feel it is becoming a political tool for many, and both sides are posturing for the next 50 years of pot presence in their society.

I whole heartedly agree with this statement. It is quite apparent that the poster is describing an addiction. Just substitute "alcohol" or a "pill" in place of the word "pot". How many times have I heard pot referred to as a recreational drug? Quite a few times I might say. How about morphine? How about oxycodone? Both are excellent for the immediate relief from pain but why would someone use them as a recreation? What about the long term effect such as building a tolerance which does happen? And watch what happens if and when they REALLY need a pain killer..it won't work. That is abuse pure and simple along with addiction and an absence of self-control looking for nothing more than an artificial chemically produced pleasure. I find that as being lazy, self-indulgent seasoned with a touch of perhaps hubris.

(sorry for the rant)

As to the balance of David's post....I COULDN'T AGREE MORE! Everything he said is a good objective view of what is going on. My opinion is simple on the whole subject.....make it all legal by getting rid of the criminal laws...wipe them from the books. If you want to grow it? Sure. But just as tobacco, they will tax it. That is a far better aspect of the government getting what they want but in the end, it is still a control. Just look at how the government controls the growing of food. Don't believe me? Go ask a farmer. Look at the dairy industry for instance. Does anyone realize that there are price controls on the cost of a gallon of milk? People want cheap food...Government wants cheap food....Answer - subsidize the farmer. If a gallon of milk costs $7 to produce that would cost such an increase in food prices (just look at all the products made with milk) that people will not be able to purchase a lot of food. What happens when people don't have enough food? Ask Marie Antoinette.

(sorry for the rant...again)

And now for a contradictory statement since some would think I am totally against it.

In my lifetime I have seen two individuals that smoked for the medicinal value of it. The first one was over 30 years ago.

http://www.leagle.com/decision/1978892461FSupp431_1827

Hy did not win this action but it shows if you read it that Charles Hartz, someone I knew very well, had succeeded in the courts to have the right to smoke for medicinal purposes.

The other person is someone in my family. I have watched them use it for the control of pain. It is better in the long run than percocet or hydrocodone. They use it sparingly. It is cheaper than the oil.

So about now, you are probably confused as to my stand. I suppose it is easier to sum up by saying I don't like when someone abuses something. It could be anything or anyone. I used to smoke cigarettes and thankfully, I don't anymore. After my NDE I just stopped...period.

Back to the original poster. If you want to smoke it to get high then do so but to justify your want to smoke for a medicinal value as justification indicates to me that the person has some inner voice telling them that it is wrong so they justify it and in doing so only lie to themselves and others. Just say I want to smoke it because I like what it does to me. Okay, your choice.

I think I have rambled enough...now...let the arguments begin. <g>

Mikado

[StarCat]

I tried some edibles and some oil to see if either or both would help my back pain and fibronyalgia. I don't smoke, so that route wasn't an option. I didn't experience any improvement with edibles or oil, so I won't be investing further time and money. I've seen smoking very small amounts calm spasms in paraplegics and quadriplegics. I think that provides evidence of medical benefit when used appropriately. My daughter has also pointed out that our local hospital, aka Knife and Gun Club East, has not experienced any increase in stoned patients coming in and becoming violent. The usual assortment of drunks remains unchanged.

Cat

[Fruitbat]

I'd take issue with the statement that the "potheads aren't winning a damn thing".
They are despite being out manned out gunned and outlawed winning the war on drugs!
Kicking the authorities into touch in fine style..

Yeah, government may TRY and control and tax it, and will probably enjoy some success, due to Joe Q Pubic's general spinelessness, but providing you don't set up an illegal dope production and distribution facility, once they have legalised it it will be very very diffiicult to stop people growing their own for themselves. If the authorities can't manage to do it now when they hold all the legal cards...

They are legalisng it now because the lies about it's harmfulness now carry no weight with an increasing percentage of the general public, and the health benefits are becoming apparent and proven. As per usual the law as decided by politicians is not about what is right, it's about what is popular and expedient.

To be honest, Pot has been made into a big deal by little people for far too long. I'll be glad when it is treated like aspirin or coffee.

[kevin]

I'd take issue with the statement that the "potheads aren't winning a damn thing".
They are despite being out manned out gunned and outlawed winning the war on drugs!
Kicking the authorities into touch in fine style..

Yeah, government may TRY and control and tax it, and will probably enjoy some success, due to Joe Q Pubic's general spinelessness, but providing you don't set up an illegal dope production and distribution facility, once they have legalised it it will be very very diffiicult to stop people growing their own for themselves. If the authorities can't manage to do it now when they hold all the legal cards...

They are legalisng it now because the lies about it's harmfulness now carry no weight with an increasing percentage of the general public, and the health benefits are becoming apparent and proven. As per usual the law as decided by politicians is not about what is right, it's about what is popular and expedient.

To be honest, Pot has been made into a big deal by little people for far too long. I'll be glad when it is treated like aspirin or coffee.

Beware the " little people" Gulliver didn't when he took to the seas.

Right above the seat in St Marys churchyard in Banbury where Swift wrote Gullivers travels ,is a stained glass window depicteing the voyage of a ship destined to become encased in ice.
http://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/c ... -1-4948129
I was warned to not set foot upon any such vessel whilst inside that very church, by?????
Kevin