So Lets Talk about Bob Lazar

[Linda Brown]

Man out of Time seems mightily impressed with Bob Lazar so lets talk about that gentleman here.

Again... Bob... if you are reading these words step up and lets hear your side of things personally.

This is from an interview that you held at the Little Alien ( Ale Inn?) whatever... in Rachael Nevada

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Q: Before the theory was pieced together as to how these craft work, (the propulsion system, that is) what were the previous theories? Were they pursuing any other methods to accomplish the same type of travel?

BL: Well, they always knew it was some sort of field propulsion just because there were no high pressure areas, propellers, or nothing along those lines coming out of the craft, so they knew it was some soft of field propulsion, maybe electromagnetic. Essentially, they couldn't measure anything coming off the craft except by-products of the electromagnetic energy from the reactor. I think they're only pursuing gravitational propulsion.

Q: I read in a book somewhere that there was an inventor, I guess in the 40's or 50's, named Townsend Brown. From what I remember, he took an electromagnet, and when you first turn an electromagnet on, it moves. And he said that he could harness that energy to create flying crafts or what ever. Is stuff like that feasible?

BL: No. I've seen all kinds of crazy claims about how they [the craft] operate ...and I mean most of them are ridiculous.

Q: Bob, other than the propulsion technology, which is obviously the most amazing of the whole picture, was there any other technology that you saw that would be as amazing to us, maybe their communication technology?

BL: I don't know. Like I said, I was only privy to information about propulsion, but the communications really concerns me. It bothers me because it doesn't make sense. If you're dealing with an intense gravitational field that distorts everything around the craft radio waves would not be able to penetrate [the field to reach] the craft: they should be distorted just like light is around the craft. Yet, the ground controllers at S-4 were in contact with the craft during test flights. There's things that I want to know about it, and one of them is the communications. One possibility is that it is some sort of modulated gravity communication which would be unbelievable.

Q: What did you know about Project Looking Glass? [Ed. note: allegedly a project to look backward in time]

BL: Very, very little.
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http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/la ... talk.shtml

What strikes me about this interview is that neither of these guys SEEMS to know enough to ask or answer even the simplest questions .... and yet little tiny bits of truths are struggling to the surface.

How did the interviewer know anything about a project called " Looking Glass?" and why did he bring it up in the first place? If the interviewer knows about that why is he so vague and silly asking about the contributions of one Townsend Brown?(I read in a book somewhere that there was an inventor, I guess in the 40's or 50's, named Townsend Brown. From what I remember, he took an electromagnet, and when you first turn an electromagnet on, it moves. Oh Please.
And Bob Lazar knows even less. Linda

[Linda Brown]

I'll sit down and shut up so that others can answer your questions Mikado... but I found this interesting.

"If you're dealing with an intense gravitational field that distorts everything around the craft radio waves would not be able to penetrate [the field to reach] the craft: they should be distorted just like light is around the craft. Yet, the ground controllers at S-4 were in contact with the craft during test flights"

I ask myself too.... if they were demonstrating a propulsion system why then was this fellow more interested in the communications????? Linda

[Radomir]

OK, Mikado, don't kill me, you know I don't normally do the massive cut-and-paste thing. But here's a light initial search on Mr. Lazar and his perspectives on things....

From the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar :

Bob Lazar
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Robert Scott Lazar
Born January 26, 1959 (1959-01-26) (age 51)
Coral Gables, Florida
Occupation Former photo processor[1]/owner of United Nuclear
Spouse(s) Joy White

Robert Scott Lazar or Bob Lazar, (Born January 26, 1959, in Coral Gables, Florida, United States to Albert Lazar and Phyllis Berliner) claims to have worked from 1988 until 1989 as a physicist at an area called S-4 (Sector Four), located near Groom Lake, Nevada, next to Area 51.[citation needed] According to Lazar, S-4 served as a hidden military location for the study and possible reverse engineering of extraterrestrial flying saucers. Lazar says he saw nine different discs there and provides details on their mode of propulsion. His critics have pointed out that "Lazar's credibility crumbled" after "schools he was supposed to have attended had no record of him, while others in the scientific community had no memory of ever meeting him."[2]

His website says it is undergoing refurbishment http://www.boblazar.com/

For the propulsion of the studied vehicles, Bob Lazar claims that the atomic element 115 served as a nuclear fuel. Element 115 (nicknamed 'Ununpentium' (Uup)) reportedly provided an energy source which would produce anti-gravity effects under proton bombardment along with the production of antimatter used for energy production. Lazar's website says, as the intense strong nuclear force field of element 115's nucleus would be properly amplified, the resulting effect would be a distortion of the surrounding gravitational field, allowing the vehicle to immediately shorten the distance to a charted destination.[3]

Okaaaayyy...highly unstable, on its own, and you have to do what to it with anti-matter? Bombardment produces antimatter? So not only do you get this gravitational effect, you have to solve for antimatter containment, in a vehicle.

Ununpentium (pronounced /uːnuːnˈpɛntiəm/ ( listen)[1] oon-oon-PEN-tee-əm) is the temporary name of a synthetic superheavy element in the periodic table that has the temporary symbol Uup and has the atomic number 115.

It is placed as the heaviest member of group 15 (VA) although a sufficiently stable isotope is not known at this time that would allow chemical experiments to confirm its position. It was first observed in 2003 and only about 30 atoms of ununpentium have been synthesized to date, with just 4 direct decays of the parent element having been detected. Four consective isotopes are currently known, 287-290Uup, with 289Uup having the longest measured half-life of ~220 ms, although the isotope 290Uup may well have an even longer half-life (only a single decay has been measured leading to poor accuracy).

More at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununpentium

Lazar says he has degrees from the California Institute of Technology and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In 1993, the Los Angeles Times looked into his background and found there was no evidence to support his claims.[1] Stanton Friedman was only able to verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at Pierce Junior College.[5] The Times did discover that in 1990 Lazar had pled guilty to felony pandering, declared bankruptcy and listed his occupation as self-employed photo processor on documents.[1] A 1991 Times article reported, Lazar was "on probation in Clark County, Nevada on a pandering charge.

I had to look up what pandering meant, from a legal standpoint. It's not pretty.

His educational and professional background cannot be verified -- a fact he attributes to government deletion of records."[6]

OK, I could maybe buy that last bit--you can't find out about my academic achievements because they've been sheep-dipped.
But:

In 2006 Lazar and wife Joy White were charged with violating the Federal Hazardous Substances Act for shipping restricted chemicals across state lines following a federal investigation started in 2003.[7] The charges stemmed from a 2003 raid on Lazar's business where chemical sales records were examined.[7] The maximum penalty is 270 days in prison and a $15,000 fine.[7] Lazar again gained attention that year from news reports that he sold Polonium, the radioactive element that was allegedly employed by Russian agents to fatally poison former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko.[8] Lazar sincerely believed he could legally sell some of the chemicals after conducting a bit of ultimately misleading internet research.[9]

This does not strike me as the behavior of a CalTech and MIT graduate.

Desert Blast

Lazar and Gene Huff also run Desert Blast, an annual festival for "explodaholics" in the Nevada desert. Starting in 1987 (but only formally named in 1991, inspired by Desert Storm) the festival features home-made explosives, rockets, jet-powered vehicles, and other pyrotechnics, with the intention of emphasizing the fun aspect of physics.[12]

At least he has a sense of fun about him.

Back to element 115:
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Element_115.htm

Begins:

Bob Lazar stated that the “Sport Model” Flying Disc amplified the “Strong Nuclear Force” of Element 115 (UnUnPentium or UUP) to generate the gravity field for “Space-Time Compression.” Bob also stated that the U.S. Government had 500 pounds of Element 115 in their possession. The raw Element 115 was given to the U.S. Goverment at S4 by the Reticulan EBEs in the form of discs. The scientists at S4 sent the Element 115 discs through Groom Lake to Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, to be milled for use in the Anti-Matter Reactor. The Los Alamos personnel were told it was a new form of armor. They simply followed orders, milled it in accordance with the following steps, and sent it back to Groom Lake. It was during this process that some of the Element 115 turned up missing. As you’ll see below, the machining process to form the Element 115 wedge produces a tremendous amount of waste.

More here: http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Governm ... entist.htm

Most interesting I find is the image of what they call the "gravity ampifier:"



It does say on this page that "Robert Lazar claimed that gravity propagates instantaneously. "

Go here and look at the interesting paragraph on how this is all supposed to work, bolded text I put for emphasis on a few points:
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Gravity_Generator.htm

Bob Lazar worked at Area 51 (or Groom Lake) back in the late 1980’s on a back-engineering program that he claims began there in 1979. He says that an ‘exchange’ program with the ETs occurred in the 1970’s, which, resulted in the acquisition of nine UFOs so that their technologies could be researched. That there were indeed strange craft at Area 51 seems to be corroborated by David Adair’s visit there in 1971.

The following is an analysis of the way some types of UFOs travel, its the rubber sheet explanation of space-time manipulation by Bob Lazar.1

“Assuming they‘re in space, they will focus the three gravity generators on the point they want to go to. Now, to give an analogy: If you take a thin rubber sheet, say, lay it on a table and put thumbtacks in each corner, then take a big stone and set it on one end of the rubber sheet and say that’s your spacecraft, you pick out a point that you want to go to - which could be anywhere on the rubber sheet - pinch that point with your fingers and pull it all the way up to the craft. That’s how it focuses and pulls that point to it. When you then shut off the gravity generators, the stone (or spacecraft) follows that stretched rubber back to its point. There’s no linear travel through space; it actually bends space and time and follows space as it retracts. In the first mode of travel - around the surface of a planet - they essentially balance on the gravitational field that the gravity generators put out, and they can ride a “wave,” like a cork does in the ocean. In that mode they’re very unstable and are affected by the weather. In the other mode of travel - where they can travel vast distances - they can’t really do that in a strong gravitational field like Earth, because to do that, first of all, they need to tilt on their side, usually out in space, then they can focus on the point they need to with the gravity generators and move on. If you can picture space as a fabric, and the speed of light is your limit, it’ll take you so long, even at the speed of light, to get from point A to point B. You can’t exceed it - not in this universe anyway. Should there be other parallel universes, maybe the laws are different, but anyone that’s here has to abide by those rules.”

Stuck in Einstein space.



The little alien guy is kind of cute...

All in all, while somewhat internally consistent, I'm not finding the physics of his explanations really making sense to me. You can take the basic shape of the saucer and theorize all sorts of things about how one could be powered, how it zings about as they do (motive power, control, navigation), and draw pictures. This just seems like one stab in the dark to me out of a really big set of possibilities.

[Man out of Time]

Radomlr,

First, do we all know the efforts put forth by the gov toridicule,character assasinate, and discredit Lazar? (a major whistleblower....made into a "non-peron--erasing everything in time to validate his existence)"?? OK

I read here they say in the Annilhilation reactor the Anti-matter how is it controlled? It doesn't thave to be. WHY? Because in a billionth of a sec the reaction 115 Matter/Anti-M is turned to trememdous Heat Energy...which is prevented from radiating out in two ways. 1 The use of sphisticated CO2 Lasers to control the heat paricles direction from outwards tosideways.(This was duplicated by our scientists at Wendover AFB aound the same time late 80s) AND 2(this is for you Mikado) the ball reactor itself is most assuredly made off a Corbomite compound which can't be isotoped.

PS I have no worship for Bob Lazar at all...I admire his courage and say his info adds up if your able to THINK!....but the "people" I admire would be more like EBE Master N.Tesla...Dr John Von Neumann and both "Philly Exper" Directors (Imagine that)and accomplishments so important and far reaching they couldn't be listed here or even understood for that matter.
PPS Oh my friends dad(Bell Labs guy) got credit for the use of Catalytic converters use to maintain CO2 gas in CO2 Lasers and miniturixing the equipment....later used at Wendover

[Man out of Time]

PS....The Speed of Light is NOT the limit by any stretch of the imagination. When in your craft in an excitation field...Gravity on the exterior is a million times greater due to the inverse relationship and realitivity.

[Man out of Time]

AHHHH Mikado you rascal,

The Barium rare earth coating and titanium coated arm inside prevents the gae(CO2) from becoming carbon monoxide and oxygen and disrupting the coherent light of the laser. With these internal small mechanisms there there remains a constant flow of CO2 in the chamber....eliminating the need for huge bulky valves and equipment to keep the gas pure and the laser pure. That doesn't come from Goggle...it comes from my head Mr Mikado.
Ahhhh Nuts! Be Cool -Man

[Chris Knight]

Linda,

I can't comment on Bob Lazar's technical background or claims aside from the question I asked him regarding running his hand along the rim of the "Sportster model" craft at "Area 51."

However (as expected), I do have a comment regarding his personal nature, which I believe has some bearing. About the time of Desert Blast 13, which Mark Bean and I went to, Bob had a stream of "starlets" through his house. I can't come out and state what he was doing because I don't want to ever get hit up for slander (although if it's true, it's not slander). Anyhow, it was my understanding (from his mouth) that he was building pornography sites for the young hopefuls, and doing OK financially and otherwise.

Personally, I think he is (or at least was) an opportunistic parasite, and I'd toss him in with Richard Hull.

[Man out of Time]

Hey Mikado,

Please replace the word titanium with platinum...which is one of the catalytics maintaining the constant CO2

[Man out of Time]

Chris,

You maybe right about Lazar...and then Ed Teller was a poor reruiter of new talent. AND my proof of what he says aside from it all adding up...is the the extremes the gov went to cover things...they don't do that for just anybody...actions speak louder than words.

[Man out of Time]

Mikado,

The ones I'm talking about were a long time ago...not the high tech lasers you speak of. These were the founders of CO2 lasers or they reverse-engineered it from EBE equipment...just like Bell Labs other reversed engineered equipment brought home by his father to show him as a kid(Glasses my friend tried on in early 60's...he could see at night...and we know what that was...don't we. I simply tried to answer your question on the early problems with CO2 lasers (and did). So if your a laser expert...good for you (do you know of the laser tunnel experiment done at Montauk next to the railroad tracks...causing time shifts...my other friend was in the car with 4 others sent through the laser tunnel. They were told to keep their eyes shut...the driver had one eye open and later lost sight in it. My friend however, after opening his eyes..saw himself as a younger boy walking along the tracks. So, so what? Is your little experiment dealing with lasers by any chance? The Montauk exper (this one) was done around 20 yrs ago...the lasers were set on precise angles forming the triangular tunnel to drive through. Was this a viewing mechanism(like Project Looking Glass) or a travel mechanism. Or were they simply measuring the time wave fronts size...arising from the Montauk bases fields continued use and dangers of growing.
No Mikado...no dinner paries tonight. Tomorrow night...you may come up. I call them Classified Cocktail Parties

PS I believe lasers potential is far more than it is beingutilized for today. As Dr. Von Neumann said a computer shouldn't be wasted on acounting or talley purposes...but other more important uses, I.E. Psychotronics meshing of mind with digital computers as was done in the Montauk Chair.