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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby LuisP » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:27 am

Thought I would share this.
Under the title “Common Ailments and Corresponding Cannabinoids -CBD is perhaps the Most Beneficial Cannabinoid of them all!”, I found this chart that lists (in blue) the benefits of CBD. This chart was made by a "SC Laboratories" and full article can be found here : http://www.allaboutcbd.com/:

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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby LuisP » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:21 am

If into understanding more about CBD, you might wish to check this site : http://www.projectcbd.org/

One of the first things I’d point out is a “dual” usage of CBD content inside a product : some say CBD rich and others CBD dominant. As it goes,
- “CBD-rich,” means a cannabis strain or product that has equal amounts of CBD and THC, or more CBD than THC
- “CBD-dominant” mean strains or products that are CBD-rich but have very little THC content.

That is not a insignificant fact, for if into – well, thinking about it – growing some legal (depends on your location) CBD rich seeds, you might wish to check this site : http://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-cbd ... inoid--n52

And you should be aware that in November 2012, Tikun Olam, an Israeli medical cannabis facility, announced a new strain of the plant which has only cannabidiol as an active ingredient, and virtually no THC, providing some of the medicinal benefits of cannabis without the euphoria.

This new strain is called Avidekel, and contains 15.8% CBD and less than 1% THC.
From what I’ve read, it also has a “street name” of “Rafael”.

And btw ?
In Israel they’re giving it for free to children with Cancer.
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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby StarCat » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:22 pm

I don't agree with everything Israel does, but that decision makes sense. The United States spends way too much time stonewalling compassionate use of medications. If someone is terminally ill, why are their options for pain control and maybe even hope, so vigorously obstructed? My daughter's aunt died in unrelenting pain with ovarian cancer because she was medically indigent. Apparently it would have been a fate worse than death for the state of Oklahoma to help her out.

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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby LuisP » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:51 pm

I also don't agree with Israel's every doing, and that by a very long chalk... but that is not the point, is it ?

This decision of theirs speaks volumes.
That's the point.

And I'm not talking about them giving this new strain to cancerous children. For free.

I'm talking about their having developed and "come up" with this "Rafael strain".

As in,
What have they "discovered" that we are simply too "programmed" to understand ?

A CBD dominat and THC irrelevant plant. Developed less than 2 years ago.

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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby FM No Static At All » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:17 pm

Hemp as it grows naturally without separation of the male and female plants or the cloning of females to promote higher concentrations of delta-9-tetrahydracannabinol (THC) was used by many in place of tobacco smoking. Because it was grown to make rope and clothing mostly, the seeds were gathered for replanting.

Hemp grown around the world is for particular qualities, many with respect to the psychotropic effects of those high in THC (pun intended)! But in many other places the nut (seed sans hull) was used as a meal as it is very rich in essential fatty acids, in fact some claim that it possesses the most Omega-3 and Omega-6 of any food known. And because it is balanced naturally it doesn't have to be 'dosed' properly.

The oils extracted as in the Rick Simpson method that are CBD-rich are from the leaves and stems, so they also are extremely low in THC.

My personal opinion is that it is best to use plants to extract the oils because you really have better knowledge of just what is in the oil, and you don't when you buy from someone else.

Make Simpson (Hemp) Oil - 2014 update.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1WJR6tIafI

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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby Soloma » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:26 pm

Great posts Luis and Fred, Rick Simpson really reached me with his videos, I already had been making tinctures so I was able to understand very easily what he was doing. I very much was intending to follow in his footsteps when I got busted and hope very much in the future to emulate his work.

I urinated blood again for the first time since father`s day and it again seems like maybe it is Pretty who has the blood in her stool. I had to clean her bottom tonight and there was red on the towel, she is becoming more miserable and actually wetting my bed. I have not seen her do any of this but that is how she operates, Tabitha would straight up do my bed dirty in front of me.

I just ordered more oil, my step mother was not as receptive as I had hoped when I gave her the bottle. She has to be one of the most straight and narrow follow the rules and system people I know, if she ever takes this I will be shocked. On a positive note here, my tough old father who has had more surgeries than most people I know will most likely be taking it for pain, he wants to try it. I will update his response when I talk with him next or after he actually follows through.

So I ordered a 2oz for my mother who I will visit later this week and a 4oz for the house, seems like it is time to start Pretty on an informal regime, see if she gains any quality of life benefits.

Will of course update as I know more and again will encourage those of you who try medicinal cannabis for what ever reason to share your successes and failures here.
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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby Fruitbat » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:36 am

OK Soloma, since you are our "expert" right now, I'd like to pick your brain a bit...

I've not yet watched the rick simpson video, hopefully I will get around to that tonight, but I am already confused.
As it's a matter of some urgency for my cat to get some treatment started, and it's proving slow and tedious to get a reply for your oils supplier, as to which of their several different brands of oil is likely to be most suitable for teh task at hand, I'll ask you do you know what oil you would give your cat to shrink an oral tumour? I have the opportunity to apply it direct to the mass as well as indirectly via his blood stream.

Initially I'll be going with my home made recreational oil, since that's what I have, and I'll dilute it with olive oil to make it a little more runny.
It seems to be reasonably high in THC, which is both a concern and a potential advantage.

Do you know if cats are more or less sensitive to THC than humans? I know they are smaller, but I also know that they tolerate certain medications better than we do.

I'm also scouring the web to see if I can put my hands on an original Lakhovsky machine, (three have been found in storage in italy I understand) but so far without success. They make these machines nowadays and you can buy them on ebay for a huge amount of money, so you'd think there would be people screaming about how good they are if they worked... But an original machine will use different technology, so you can't rule it out without putting it to the test.

It's at times like this that we get to sort out the wishful thinking from reality...

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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby Soloma » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:04 am

I would go with their base product for now, the hemp cbd oil contains quite a bit of CBD, as do the others. I have not researched what Frankincense, Black Cumin and Rosemary extracts might add to the oil for their bulletproof nor am I exactly sure at this stage what a terpenes are that are in the complete oil. I do get the concept of the acidic form of cbd still being present in the complete oil due to the lack of decarboxalation. As I said before, I was considering their complete oil from here on out however I changed that because I wanted to be able to afford more oil as opposed to more complete oil.

My thought process was I was not sure I wanted to pay such a high price for Frankincense and the other herbs in the bulletproof oil and while I wanted the complete without knowing full on about the benefits of terpenes, I decided to cut my costs and go with the base product since I have seen such a major improvement in Tabitha.

I am not sure why you would inject directly to the bloodstream, I imagine topical and orally should be sufficient. The oil is rather loose being based in hemp seed oil, I am sure not as concentrated as Rick Simpson oil so I see difficulty in getting this oil to stay on topically in the mouth. I am of the notion that the tumor should be attacked just by taking the medicine orally but would certainly suggest you try topical too since you can.

I would think cats are susceptible to thc, perhaps even more so based on my eighteen years of watching Tabitha catch buzzes right along with me. I could not keep her out of my garden, she would literally fall into a drool and purring fit while she was happily munching leaf after leaf. She continues to wake up calling out, perhaps this is the thc from the oil and second hand smoke she gets from me causing her to do such. This calling out as often as it is occurring is new, however I am not overly bothered because everywhere else she is doing great, she managed to get herself up in the window sill from my computer chair before I took her down, she was going to fall off.

I am surprised by their lack of customer service with you, I have read reviews that it has been great and I also have had a good experience. Just buy the base product and go from there, at least that is what I would do, I feel that it will do the job.
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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby LuisP » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:17 pm

Dan
This oil "measures" and "purity" is a hard thing to understand.

I'm looking at one provider (http://www.hanf-zeit.com/cbd-produkte-1 ... dukte.html) that sells 50 ml (around 2 Oz) of "2,9% CBD" oil, which is the more "potent" it markets.
Your Bluebird says "1 fluid ounce = 30ml / 1ml = 30 drops / 30 drops = 8.333mg cannabidiol (CBD)", meaning ... it "talks" in mg, not "percentage" !

How can one compare ? maybe its just me and my ignorant frustration, but I simply can't get to understand. Plus, this "Rafael" strain from the Israelis claims 15,8 % CBD, which makes one wonder at its "purety" capability once "distilled" into an oil.

Also, the often referred 1:1 ratio is claimed to be of the utmost importance when in fact it only means that, for instance, a given product has the same "amount" of CBD and THC, meaning, okay, you get the benefit plus - I summarize - a free ride down euphoria alley, for those interested in that "collateral".

Now if one is intent on CBD only (regardless of tackling arguments about a positive "synergy" with TCH being thus absent) do you have any idea if your Blluebird drops are more, the same or less potent, at 250 mg (roughly 900 drops, roughly 2 Oz) than my 2 Oz at 2,9 % concentration ?

Damn !
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Re: Since cannabis was brought up

Postby LuisP » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:26 pm

Plus, on this site http://www.cbd-olie.eu/ (okay, its Dutch but that's why they at Google came up with Translation tool) it says :
• Start with 5 drops three times daily.
• It is important that you slowly build up the dosage. The dosage and amounts used CBD oil may in fact vary greatly between individual patients.
• Repeat several times until you reach the desired effect or (psychological) side effects.


Now, each case is a case, of course, but you said - far as I recall correctly - that you were using 7 or 8 drops a day (or was it your cat ?). So if 15 drops a day, then that amounts to 450 drops a month, meaning, 2 Oz should last you 2 months.... but you said it did 1 month ! Surely then, you were using 450 to you and other 450 drops among your 2 cats, right ?

Going a bit nuts, I am, trying to work this out ....
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