A message from Andrew Bolland

[Chris Knight]

Hi Cat,

Glad your grandson liked the rocks. I got those from near Honolulu and shipped them home in one of those boxes the post office sells - flat price no matter how much it weighs. They lost a little money that time !

Best,

Andy

[wags]

Linda Challenged:

wags....You know Fruitbat...but do you actually know the person posting as Chis Knight? You might want to be sure of that before you invest any more time and trust. Linda

I know Fruitbat, but the real world question is Do You Really Know Who FB is??

As for Chris Knight I do not require such prejudicial advice.

[Mikado14]

Interesting post:'

http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 541#p30541

Andrew.... You had transferred a message through the HUT regarding the "pencil speaker". And I find it EXTREMELY interesting that you would say this particularly about it.

" If this speaker came from Linda Leach, I couldn't tell you - like I said, I collected a lot of stuff from many sources, as you can imagine."

What kind of crap statement is that? Of course you got it directly from us. I watched George hand it over to you. I heard him tell you to take good care of it... that it meant something to him since he and Dad built it. NOW you say you can't remember where you got it? WHO else might have something that Townsend Brown himself had built?....being so passive about that and then covering with the statement " I couldn't tell you..." brings up all kinds of questions. Why couldn't you tell them it was directly from us? I am disappointed in you Andrew but I still hold to the belief that you have someone else here behind your actions.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Linda

Several things, first, in case anyone is interested which they are more than likely not but Linda et al will be...and commenting I am sure, please continue.

1. First off, missy, it is the kind of crap that someone says who devoted 26 years to your Daddy's work and collected a good deal of "stuff". You act as if there is nothing out there from your Father. Didn't you say that Paul and you visited Dennison where your Daddy donated equipment? Wonder if it is still there? Did you or Paul question that donation and if all this expensive equipment is still there? So, do you have proof that it was donated? I can't remember but then I am sure twigsnapper will come up with some story or anecdotal...oh...and while he is doing that, ask him what Mark Bean is doing, afterall, that is how this thread started and you have dodged the subject. One trait I remember that you possess....avoidance of something you are afraid of. Why are you afraid to ask twigsnapper as to what Mark Bean is doing? Could it be that he might just not exist? Actually, wouldn't it be easier to say he passed away and then you could keep telling his anecdotes and stories and claim they are real? I am surprised you haven't done so....your getting either slow or thick....oh but wait....Chuck/Carlos/Juan is still alive. Didn't you say Barbara went on a date with him?...you know who I mean....Tula...yes...that was the name you called her. Wonder what she would have to say in regard to not only that date but a good deal of other things. Wonder why Paul didn't interview her and put it in the book....oh yeah....she was on Fred's list to line up for the talk show interview...and your sister-in-law.....I digress.

2. Secondly, you mentioned that George handed the speaker to Andy....what in holy hell does that have to do with this thread..it was started in regard to Mark Bean but I am sure it is nothing more than structural deception. Is this the same George who signed that threatening email with only a "G"? .....a gutless act. I would bet that was you pretending to be him but you didn't have the guts to sign his full name. However, it was signed "G" and he is the only one with that initial at your address. I have digressed again...sorry to those reading this.

3. Thirdly, what about this avoidance to address the reason for this thread? You have no problem coming and copying and posting on the Token without a proper citation but you are better than anyone else and anyone can just ask you if they don't believe so. You could prove so much....so very much as to the existence of these supposed individuals that are using taxpayer money and more than likely are violating a few secrecy acts as well as violating oaths they took to tell you so much of what is going on not to mention using helicopters etc for personal business.

It is time. Put up or shut up. You have alienated so many individuals. Haven't you wondered why it is that so many individuals who were so interested are no longer around? Here is a news flash....they were either made up individuals by you or you banned them from the Token when they didn't respond with "yes Linda".

You have a choice as some individuals are looking at this thread. You can prove so many individuals wrong and most of all....you could prove me wrong. Isn't that what you truly want? To be able to prove Mikado is nothing....here's your chance missy.

Mikado

PS: I thought this place had such a stench but you seem to visit two threads in particular...Dave as well.

PPS: Stop lying and telling individuals that you can't see you tubes. You can. Ecker mentioned the upgraded computer and that you could see them...so who is lying? Oh...how is the IPhone? Is that a George hand me down?

[Chris Knight]

Mikado,

I actually hope she can tell us what Mark Bean is doing and where he is these days.

It would make me feel pretty good for some reason, but I really don't think her "Caroline Group" extends more than a few centimeters (at best) from her mind.

But then...if she can rise to the challenge, I am happy to publically, and sincerely, apologize to her.

Andy

[Fruitbat]

Of course she doesn't Wags, any more than I know who Linda Brown really is.
But it would seem "our sort" get along over there, and "your sort" get along over here.
I personally wish it could be different.

I don't come here any more in spite of some of the better posters efforts, because the hatred that you guys spew just smells bad psychologically. Even when I made a genuine effort to get along and just be positive and nice, and (apart from one regrettable incident) remain ignorant of the torrent of unrestricted bile directed my way by certain posters, I found myself being misquoted and misinterpreted, (in a most puzzling way when compared with how intellectually bright you guys are normally).

A very visible example of what I am complaining about is Mikado's attitude towards me (expressed elsewhere hereabouts) when I withdrew from participating here shortly after the death of my cat. He accused me of "cowardice" when I didn;t botehr replying to one of the many vitriolic posts directed my way, when it was nothing of the sort. Non psychopaths will understand that when a much loved pet dies, (particularly one that has managed to establish a decent quality of communication with his staff,) a properly functioning human will feel a strong sense of loss and grief. In my case I needed to balance the abrupt reduction in the good and positive side of my life by swiftly eliminating some of the negative and evil experiences in my life. Surely no sane man or woman could see my experience with this site as being on the positive and good side of things?

My problem of course is that that whilst I can cheerfully not log on here and let the more malevolent of you say what you wish, Linda has a mission to get the truth of her dad's life and achievement out there, so occasionally I get to come here and read a bit more bile.

I'm fairly sure Linda Brown has a better idea already of who I am and what I am about, than I managed to achieve in two six year bouts of "knowing" you wags. If you think differently, then why don't you use your token access and maybe PM Linda and set her straight? Or you could of course publish what you think, but be sure to stick to the truth and not get TOO inventive, because you know I'll not tolerate "slander".

I, of course know these people here don't know who you are, wags.

Sorry, there's formula one on the telly and no matter what I write you guys won't accept it, so the choice is easy.

bye for now.

Linda Challenged:

wags....You know Fruitbat...but do you actually know the person posting as Chis Knight? You might want to be sure of that before you invest any more time and trust. Linda

I know Fruitbat, but the real world question is Do You Really Know Who FB is??

As for Chris Knight I do not require such prejudicial advice.

[wags]

[quote="Fruitbat"]Of course she doesn't Wags, any more than I know who Linda Brown really is.
But it would seem "our sort" get along over there, and "your sort" get along over here.
I personally wish it could be different.

Steady... The question was for Linda as she appeared to be saying that x is not trusted as I did not know him, forgetting the underlying assumption that that also applies to her. IE. I do not know Linda Brown either. Therefore her opinion is of no value in assessing who x is.

I am slightly minded to agree in the concept of 'our sort' and 'your sort', but without the implied mutual exclusiveness of 'sides'. This is the central 'cybersickness' that has encompassed many both here and on the token.


I don't come here any more in spite of some of the better posters efforts, because the hatred that you guys spew just smells bad psychologically. Even when I made a genuine effort to get along and just be positive and nice, and (apart from one regrettable incident) remain ignorant of the torrent of unrestricted bile directed my way by certain posters, I found myself being misquoted and misinterpreted, (in a most puzzling way when compared with how intellectually bright you guys are normally).

FB you talk about being upset at been misquoted and misinterpreted, yet you appear to refuse to acknowledge those who have similar complaints, correction far more severe damage from interacting with Linda.

A very visible example of what I am complaining about is Mikado's attitude towards me (expressed elsewhere hereabouts) when I withdrew from participating here shortly after the death of my cat. He accused me of "cowardice" when I didn;t botehr replying to one of the many vitriolic posts directed my way, when it was nothing of the sort. Non psychopaths will understand that when a much loved pet dies, (particularly one that has managed to establish a decent quality of communication with his staff,) a properly functioning human will feel a strong sense of loss and grief. In my case I needed to balance the abrupt reduction in the good and positive side of my life by swiftly eliminating some of the negative and evil experiences in my life. Surely no sane man or woman could see my experience with this site as being on the positive and good side of things?

Consider his position without lessening the impact of BJ, on you. What has been the impact of Linda Brown on Mikado from his perspective, and what is his perception of your connection with her. Why are you then surprised at the consequential distrust. It is all a matter of perception and making an attempt to understand how he thinks and feels.

My problem of course is that that whilst I can cheerfully not log on here and let the more malevolent of you say what you wish, Linda has a mission to get the truth of her dad's life and achievement out there, so occasionally I get to come here and read a bit more bile.

Of course this is your belief, but on balance how do rate her success at doing it.

I'm fairly sure Linda Brown has a better idea already of who I am and what I am about, than I managed to achieve in two six year bouts of "knowing" you wags. If you think differently, then why don't you use your token access and maybe PM Linda and set her straight? Or you could of course publish what you think, but be sure to stick to the truth and not get TOO inventive, because you know I'll not tolerate "slander".

That would achieve nothing, but upset for you and me. An irrational solution.

[Chris Knight]

Just a thought guys.

I'll bet that if you sat down and talked / though about it, you'd find the whole "us guys / you guys" way of thinking is an artificial construct created to keep you from comparing notes. Sure, in real life you may not be best buddies, and go out for a beer on the weekends, but that has nothing to do with the two forums. The purpose is to keep one side believing that they are part of something important - in this case a secret organization trying to make the world a better place / a world trying to keep TTBs research down, while at the same time strengthening that ideal by creating an artificial enemy, or "them," which in this case is Hut B / the Black Sub. I would like to believe that myself, being a fairly strong idealist myself. Old trick.

If you look at the history of the two forums, or "huts," as long as someone was useful to Linda Leach and her mission of getting TTBs work recognized, then they were in "Hut A," but as soon as someone began questioning something she said, then they would be demonized, and then either a) disappear quietly, or b) end up in "Hut B."

Linda Leach hasn't had any issues with me for the last three years we haven't spoken, but now that I want to put the record straight on a number of issues, and speak the truth, I am immediately demonized. I have never done or said anything to harm her or her family, but that is her only response. She once told me that she would use absolutely any means to get her fathers work recognized, with or without me. Pretty powerful statement.

Oh, if anyone is wondering, Linda Leach (Brown) is T. Townsend Brown's daughter. Not sure where that challenge came from, but I can vouch for her.

Anyhow, if you don't remember, you can go back and look at the "war" Mikado and I had going for a number of years. Most of the time I really didn't get into it, to be honest. Linda Leach and I would make up stories about what I and she were doing just to push his buttons. A couple of funny ones you might remember:

1) Dolphin Jump Key - it's down in Florida. I've never been there, but I see it is up for sale for a price a bit out of my range. We told everyone I was on some secret research exploration trip from out of a port near there. The original boat from the movie, African Queen," is nearby there, and my daughter and I took photos of the boat to "prove" I was there when we were down in Florida for the trip below. I supposedly moved there three years ago when I "disappeared," and Linda Leach has been pushing that story since then.

2) Hogs Island - my family went down on a Bahamas cruise a couple of years ago, and went to the Townsend Brown bakery in Nassau (a black fellow, by the way, in no way connected to TTB per the rumor). We saw Hog's Island, which is just off of Nassau, from a distance. It's actually called Paradise Island now and a large resort complex is there (Atlantis resort). We didn't want to spend umpteen dollars to spend the day at their water park, so we toured around the island with another family. The photos to "prove" we were down there "doing research" or whatever went up on the forum.

Just all made up.

You'd think I'd have had better things to so with my time ! My wife and I would go up to Yucca Valley and go out to Sizzler Steakhouse with Linda and George Leach. We'd have a good meal and trash talk Mikado and Hut B. George, who is a really great guy by the way, would have a bemused smile on his face. I don't know what he was thinking about all of it, but Linda Leach occasionally quoted him saying that, "if no one cared about your father's work when he was alive, why would they care about it now ?" That's a paraphrase, but pretty close.

I've had the opportunity to compare notes with many of the people on the two forums, and have apologized to most of you. I apologize to both forums as well, in that had I not been the "keeper of the flame" for so many years then many of you would not have gotten dragged into this mess. Some of TTBs "research" may be important, but Sheeesh !

Best,

Andy

[StarCat]

Well, that's interesting if nothing else.

Cat

[Mikado14]

Nice to see you post fruitbat.

<snip>
A very visible example of what I am complaining about is Mikado's attitude towards me (expressed elsewhere hereabouts) when I withdrew from participating here shortly after the death of my cat. He accused me of "cowardice" when I didn;t botehr replying to one of the many vitriolic posts directed my way, when it was nothing of the sort. Non psychopaths will understand that when a much loved pet dies, (particularly one that has managed to establish a decent quality of communication with his staff,) a properly functioning human will feel a strong sense of loss and grief. In my case I needed to balance the abrupt reduction in the good and positive side of my life by swiftly eliminating some of the negative and evil experiences in my life. Surely no sane man or woman could see my experience with this site as being on the positive and good side of things?

Have you ever heard of the saying - "You reap what you sow"? Your very first posts here were in the Kilroy thread which was created so that anyone could post a tribute to Raymond or a post in regard to someone lost. You however decided to "fix" it for me as if something was wrong even after explaining to you what the purpose of the thread was all about. I tried to be cordial in the beginning but if you truly believe that your animosity toward kevin as well as a bit toward Luis, did not runover into other conversations then who is the one who may be psychopathic?

You seem to think that for some reason no one took into consideration the passing of your pet. Here are two posts that I made in regard to Blackjack:

viewtopic.php?p=33781#p33781

viewtopic.php?p=33926#p33926

Your putting forth the notion that I made posts that were negative to you from out of the blue when the reality is that if I made a post directed specifically to you, it was in response to ....what was the word you used?....oh yeah, vitriolic comment if not a derogatory statement typed by you. In other words, a rebuttal.

The first link I posted above, I would bet you never even read. However, try as I might, I cannot seem to find a post by you whereas you told others of the loss. I believe it was made on the Token but not here and yet you use the loss of your pet as an excuse for some of your behaviour towards others. We all grieve in loss and in our own way. When you make a post on a subject and you get an answer and if that answer is not to your liking then it is either a rebuttal to what you stated or it is an opposing point of view to your post. However, if you choose to cast blame on the response as if it is an aspersion to the passing of your pet then you are not taking responsibility for what you say elsewhere and in the end....you are doing a disservice to Blackjack in using his passing as an excuse. Do as you wish but rational individuals can see through it all.

My problem of course is that that whilst I can cheerfully not log on here and let the more malevolent of you say what you wish, Linda has a mission to get the truth of her dad's life and achievement out there, so occasionally I get to come here and read a bit more bile.

Again...."you reap what you sow". All one has to do is go to this thread: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1163 - and anyone can see how malevolent this forum has been toward you. You have a problem with one person and you condemn the entire forum.

I'm fairly sure Linda Brown has a better idea already of who I am and what I am about, than I managed to achieve in two six year bouts of "knowing" you wags. If you think differently, then why don't you use your token access and maybe PM Linda and set her straight? Or you could of course publish what you think, but be sure to stick to the truth and not get TOO inventive, because you know I'll not tolerate "slander".

Of Linda Leach knowing you...I have no doubt. How well do you know her? You are posting in a thread in regard to Andrew Bolland. What do you know about him? He has a 26 year history with Linda Leach. What you know in regard to her would make a pimple on the ass of a dog in comparison to Andy.

Remember this, he could just as easily PM Linda from here as well and she could login and read it. Now, as to truth. I have read a good deal of what you have posted in regard to myself and based upon what? You don't know me either and I you. We both make comments based upon statements. I have made statements based upon your comment that you would make the decision as to keep anything I told you in secret that you would make the decision as to whether or not you thought it deserved to be made public....and you wonder why I don't converse with you anymore? That statement says you can't be trusted...pure and simple. You are not trustworthy. Doesn't mean I wouldn't converse with you but it does mean you wouldn't be privy to my hard earned research that I might have shared with you to an extent. Or perhaps your comment that if I had all this research I should be rolling in money...again, it shows what is of concern to you. You very well might be that type of individual. However, if you were in the states, I wouldn't mind going out and perhaps getting to know you, who knows, we might just become friends....sans Linda Leach.

I, of course know these people here don't know who you are, wags.

Absolutely correct. But I know him better than I know you. I would guess that we have talked about many different subjects over the past six months for about 30 hours on the phone. Now, would that make your statement a bit narcissistic or a judgement without knowing all the facts?

Sorry, there's formula one on the telly and no matter what I write you guys won't accept it, so the choice is easy.

bye for now.

Correct, the choice is always yours and as long as you continue to use the passing of BJ as an excuse as to why there may be negative posting, rebuttal posting or just plain posts that don't agree with you, then you will forever remain in that gray twilight that neither knows happiness or sorrow.

And then there is this:

Linda Challenged:

wags....You know Fruitbat...but do you actually know the person posting as Chis Knight? You might want to be sure of that before you invest any more time and trust. Linda

I know Fruitbat, but the real world question is Do You Really Know Who FB is??

As for Chris Knight I do not require such prejudicial advice.

All this is, is more speculative deception from Linda. Chis (Chris) Knight has been identified as Andrew Bolland and since Linda Leach has verified so much in so many posts going back years, there is a wealth of information to make an opinion as to who he is. How much is out there in regard to fruitbat? Not as much as Andrew.

Mikado

PS: I see on preview that Andrew has posted. Some of mine might be redundant.

[wags]

A worthy and useful thought. Thanks.

Just a thought guys.

I'll bet that if you sat down and talked / though about it, you'd find the whole "us guys / you guys" way of thinking is an artificial construct created to keep you from comparing notes. Sure, in real life you may not be best buddies, and go out for a beer on the weekends, but that has nothing to do with the two forums. The purpose is to keep one side believing that they are part of something important - in this case a secret organization trying to make the world a better place / a world trying to keep TTBs research down, while at the same time strengthening that ideal by creating an artificial enemy, or "them," which in this case is Hut B / the Black Sub. I would like to believe that myself, being a fairly strong idealist myself. Old trick.

If you look at the history of the two forums, or "huts," as long as someone was useful to Linda Leach and her mission of getting TTBs work recognized, then they were in "Hut A," but as soon as someone began questioning something she said, then they would be demonized, and then either a) disappear quietly, or b) end up in "Hut B."

Linda Leach hasn't had any issues with me for the last three years we haven't spoken, but now that I want to put the record straight on a number of issues, and speak the truth, I am immediately demonized. I have never done or said anything to harm her or her family, but that is her only response. She once told me that she would use absolutely any means to get her fathers work recognized, with or without me. Pretty powerful statement.

Oh, if anyone is wondering, Linda Leach (Brown) is T. Townsend Brown's daughter. Not sure where that challenge came from, but I can vouch for her.

Anyhow, if you don't remember, you can go back and look at the "war" Mikado and I had going for a number of years. Most of the time I really didn't get into it, to be honest. Linda Leach and I would make up stories about what I and she were doing just to push his buttons. A couple of funny ones you might remember:

1) Dolphin Jump Key - it's down in Florida. I've never been there, but I see it is up for sale for a price a bit out of my range. We told everyone I was on some secret research exploration trip from out of a port near there. The original boat from the movie, African Queen," is nearby there, and my daughter and I took photos of the boat to "prove" I was there when we were down in Florida for the trip below. I supposedly moved there three years ago when I "disappeared," and Linda Leach has been pushing that story since then.

2) Hogs Island - my family went down on a Bahamas cruise a couple of years ago, and went to the Townsend Brown bakery in Nassau (a black fellow, by the way, in no way connected to TTB per the rumor). We saw Hog's Island, which is just off of Nassau, from a distance. It's actually called Paradise Island now and a large resort complex is there (Atlantis resort). We didn't want to spend umpteen dollars to spend the day at their water park, so we toured around the island with another family. The photos to "prove" we were down there "doing research" or whatever went up on the forum.

Just all made up.

You'd think I'd have had better things to so with my time ! My wife and I would go up to Yucca Valley and go out to Sizzler Steakhouse with Linda and George Leach. We'd have a good meal and trash talk Mikado and Hut B. George, who is a really great guy by the way, would have a bemused smile on his face. I don't know what he was thinking about all of it, but Linda Leach occasionally quoted him saying that, "if no one cared about your father's work when he was alive, why would they care about it now ?" That's a paraphrase, but pretty close.

I've had the opportunity to compare notes with many of the people on the two forums, and have apologized to most of you. I apologize to both forums as well, in that had I not been the "keeper of the flame" for so many years then many of you would not have gotten dragged into this mess. Some of TTBs "research" may be important, but Sheeesh !

Best,

Andy