Setting the record straight

[Mikado14]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pbuWH3Qzx4

So JACK, You could register here, nes pas?
Kevin

Here is his profile, kevin.

His ID is : lightspeed

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=139

[kevin]

It is My odd ball opinion that there is no speed of light, it occurs.
But JACK could easily reply here at 186.000 miles per second rate, nes pas?
Kevin

[lightspeed]

Hello Mikado, it has been a long time since i have logged in here, and i have only popped in as a guest a few times. You may say as you wish, it is your forum, but you did not quote me correctly in one respect. When you got angry and posted that i said that you had put a gun to Andrew's daughter's head, i would like to clarify. I did not say that you, Mikado, did, or threatened to put a gun to anyones head. I used the word "they" plural, not your screen name plural. Here is how i posted it:
There is just one way:the way "they" can get to someone, put a gun to his child's head, and... yeah, that would do it. We will "Cassalero you, Andy" nope, that would not get it
There has been a lot of back and forth, and i told you the last time, i won't go back and forth, others will, not me. I do not see how you get your name out of this sentance. My intent was to show that in my opinion, if the shadowy forces that did kill Danny Cassalero and Phil Marshal tried that with the Andrew i met, i do not think he would be moved. I did say that if "they" threatened his daughter this way, that could cause a change. At no time did i think you ever did so, and i do not see how you find that in my wording. However, Andrew did contact me directly, and spoke plainly, as i requested, and i accept this. As i told him, he is free to associate with anyone he pleases. It took awhile to remember my password here.
Jack (lightspeed)

[kevin]

Jack,
Good to see You claify Your post, how are thee?

Never Heard of Casalero,
http://www.constitution.org/col/octocaso.htm
Watch out for octupus's when fishing.
Kevin

[Chris Knight]

Just a reminder...

Remember that all of this has been a fake construct to keep us all divided and at each other's throats. The common denominator is Linda Leach.

She has been the instigator for this whole charade since the beginning, and speaking with her extended family and friends it turns out that was always the case.

It makes "she needs not to know" a bit clearer.

Andy

[Chris Knight]

This catoon made me think of Linda Leach:

[Mikado14]

Hello Mikado, it has been a long time since i have logged in here, and i have only popped in as a guest a few times. You may say as you wish, it is your forum, but you did not quote me correctly in one respect. When you got angry and posted that i said that you had put a gun to Andrew's daughter's head, i would like to clarify. I did not say that you, Mikado, did, or threatened to put a gun to anyones head. I used the word "they" plural, not your screen name plural. Here is how i posted it:
There is just one way:the way "they" can get to someone, put a gun to his child's head, and... yeah, that would do it. We will "Cassalero you, Andy" nope, that would not get it
There has been a lot of back and forth, and i told you the last time, i won't go back and forth, others will, not me. I do not see how you get your name out of this sentance. My intent was to show that in my opinion, if the shadowy forces that did kill Danny Cassalero and Phil Marshal tried that with the Andrew i met, i do not think he would be moved. I did say that if "they" threatened his daughter this way, that could cause a change. At no time did i think you ever did so, and i do not see how you find that in my wording. However, Andrew did contact me directly, and spoke plainly, as i requested, and i accept this. As i told him, he is free to associate with anyone he pleases. It took awhile to remember my password here.
Jack (lightspeed)

Hello Jack.

First, it is everyones forum who is a member as long as they abide by the rules and from where I sit, and I am sure there are those that agree, they are quite liberal....no deletes, no edits and rarely a move of a post. Post as you see it, post what you feel as you just have. However, be prepared for a discussion if there is an opposing point of view.

Secondly, if you would have taken the time to go back a page, perhaps you did, you will see your post as it was made on the Token...no edits...no deletions. When I went back to get the linkback, it is gone. Why?

Let me refresh your memory:

"What i have seen looks much more like Mikado assuming Andrew's identity." Your very first sentence is a conclusive statement or in short, your opinion of what it looks like to you and is an "opening salvo" which sets the atmosphere around your post with a specific identity.

It is the fact that you opened with this sentence that was the impetus for my statement. If it were I posing as Andrew and in the event it was truly Andrew, then I must be the one with the gun in hand. It is a logical progression from your opening sentence. And now you state this in your post above:

"At no time did i think you ever did so, and i do not see how you find that in my wording." So now there is a bit of a dichotomy or perhaps two diametrically opposed statements. Which is it Jack? I believe I have explained how I was able to "find it in (your) my wording."

I find it curious that you would call Andy a turncoat but then to each their own but maybe there is a bit more to it. Maybe he is at a position, better than you or I, to judge his experience with Linda. Perhaps my posting my experience, which you seem to take as an assault on Linda more than a reporting of the facts, caused Andy and his wife, Linda, to look at their own history and reevaluate the facts as they saw them. And maybe, just maybe they came to a new conclusion. Now, being objective about all of this....back and forth as you called it, couldn't you take your initial post a bit further and say that the "gun" was really nothing more than Andy's eyes were opened to the truth? That he reevaluated his opinion? Have you ever thought one thing and then when new information came in you reevaluated and changed your mind? Aren't you an engineer that worked for Northrup? And if so, you never changed your mind based upon new data sets?

And then there is this:

"You suggested we all join this other forum, so i tried, and before i was finished with the enrollment proceedure i got a bunch of nasty grams from this fellow who identified himself as Zorgon/herr schmidt and this person had my email address, already, where he sent this letter. Well now, i had seen these words before, when he accused me of being a "SOCK PUPPET" for Linda Brown, and i've seen those exact words since. In this case a number of emails went back and forth, and i said this sounded like Mikado word for word and darned if it wasn't. I had no idea that he had "secretly" been at this site for awhile. Well, i told Herr Schmidt to shove off. These words, supposed to be from Andy, they sound just like those did. I don't know what happened to him, i wish the real man would quit hiding, come out and speak plainly."

How did you determine that Zorgon/Schmidt and I are one in the same person? You specifically say so in your post, in fact, I have highlighted it. Show us your facts as to how you came to that conclusion. I would really like to know what those facts are...so if you would be so kind, please show the forum what they are.

You call discussion about veracity, a "back and forth" and you don't want to partake in it but as anyone can see, you have on more than one occasion jumped into the fracas with an occasional post with the mention of my name. So, you don't want to partake in the "back and forth" and yet in a thread about "warp drive", you make the post that started this discussion. I fail to see the content of your post in regard to "Warp drive" relevant. My conclusion based upon the presented facts is that you appear to be a hypocrite and you do partake in a quasi back and forth and present facts and make statements that are not quite true.

And I do so hope Andy set you straight and seeing as you have met him and have stated claims based on his character, I am sure will also come to the conclusion based upon such visitation that he is his own man, just as I am, and that we have made decisions based upon the presented facts. And yes, we did drink the Kool-Aid at one time and we both admit it to our personal chagrin.

Now think about this, how much behind the scenes meetings and get togethers have you had with any of the individuals discussed? After you think about that, perhaps you will see where you are standing in relation to Andy and I.

You are always welcome to post here if you wish to discuss but you should realize that "back and forth" is how truth is found and is a requirement for healthy discussions so that those discussions do not morph into a mutual admiration society.

Mikado

[Mikado14]

One more item.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, when individuals can post "facts" and make a presentation of those facts with citations, as done in the Due-Diligence that started all of this, that is an objective opinion. When a statement is made that has no citations and you form an opinion then it is merely based upon an emotional determination and is considered a subjective and not an objective opinion.

Again, you are welcome to post here at anytime but remember this, opinions need to have a factual basis, either by experience or citation, to be considered as objective. Your a smart man, think about it.

I doubt you will ever come here to either read my response or to post so in any event if you come here and read this without posting, have a good life and be mindful of being judgmental of others without knowledge it is such a bad kharma builder.

Mikado

[lightspeed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pbuWH3Qzx4

So JACK, You could register here, nes pas?
Kevin

Hello Kevin, i loved that YouTube of Manfred Mann doing Call Me Jack. I prefered Quinn and Blinded by the light. You CAN call me Jack.
Jack

[kevin]

Jack,
Octopus release lots of dark ink into the water around themselves, thus it's victims cannot see it's multiple tentacles ensnaring them.
Similer to how a spider ensnares it's victims, and wraps them up.
The hobbit was so ensnared, and luckily His friends cut Him free .

I too was enamoured of Linda, and really didn't mind if She had to invent multiple posters....to entice out information.
ALL She need do is to admit such, to thus clarify who is who etc.
Tight lines.
Kevin