Setting the record straight

[re-rose]

Mikado, I hope the Enchanted Hollow was half as lovely as I imagine. The name conjures up images of overlighting devas and industrious fairies flitting about the glenn.

Cat, I probably would have once been burned at the stake for using Santos Candles in my ceremonial rituals, but I have always loved them. Their gaudy saints and heartfelt prayers speak to me of a long established chain of connection between this world and that of the perfected archetypes.

But I think, Mikado, that the empathetic backlash is part of the healing contract and a sign that the work is in effect. Just say thank you, your purpose has been served, and you may go on, now.

Keeping the prayer wheels spinning over here, and image-ing you both immersed in a radiant orange field of vibrant good health.

rose

[Mikado14]

My personal opinion of Fruitbat's post, is that it is intelligent and we'll thought out. I also saw that he says he didn't lift the post using an IP from the Isle of Man. I believe him on that. I don't think he has any reason to have done that.

As for Wags being passport challenged, I could say that about myself. In my case, I have simply lacked the ambition and incentive to obtain one. I need to remedy that situation.

Cat

I hope this is the post you are referring to Cat.

Re: Andrew Bollands Story
Postby fruitbat » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:17 pm

You see, here's the thing.

When we choose to fight (whether it be fisticuffs or the more sophisticated methods that some pick), the result is always the same.

Someone gets hurt.

Some of us are strong and have great tolerance for injury, and consequently it takes a great deal of effort to hurt such people, on the other hand some of us are sensitive souls and will take damage from a ridiculously small injury. Due to the way human psychology works, the water is further muddied by people not properly knowing themselves, and/or trying to project a false image of themselves by way of psychological "protective colouring".

In the matter of the conflict we have with the members of the hut, I am convinced that both sides for a long time have felt alternately, on the defensive, on the ascendant and/or simply tired of the conflict. Both sides claim the moral highground, and whilst I side more with one than the other, I recognise that boths sides, however they may appear to actually conduct themselves, think they are ultimately the "good guys".

Claiming the "moral highground" is a matter of perspective. What is your definition of "moral"?

Out in the real world Mr Putin and Mr Obama are having similar discussions there's a lot of accusations and false accusations flying around whilst each side positions and tests their nuclear armed forces, and as it happens each side in the global argument believes that they are wearing the super reflective white hats...

As it happens in my little world I have recently been identified as a "security risk" (and removed from my position as a result of that insight too!) yet at the same time I am being shown that some people do take note of what I have to say! Life is indeed full of paradoxes, and I feel you are right indeed, to eschew "either/or" thinking.

I know enough about Wags to flesh out his description of being "passport challenged" based on what he has told me in the past, but I choose not to comment, as, well, it's HIS business.

FB.

If this is the post, I too find the attempt at writing an overview of the situation a good one. However, the problem with it is that it is still a "subjective" post in that fruitbat has been involved at times by posting his commentary and at times, making an offensive and defensive post.

Here is another problem with his analysis of the situation. He was not present nor a member prior to May 5, 2014. His analysis is based upon a good deal of information dealt to him from Linda. When he first came here and posted, his first posts were to make note of "fixing" something for me in the Kilroy thread where no "fixing" was required. His appearance on this forum was not one attempting to come in with an open mind and acquire another side, objectively, but with a hint of judgmental arrogance if not a bit bombastic.

He was not present at the McDonald's in Phoenixville of July '11 where Linda and I agreed to not talk about each other. That agreement lasted only until mid August when she did a full frontal attack on Kim and then I pulled the admin plug after talking with a lawyer. He was not present for all the face to face meetings where both sides talked and discussed how to bring forth the book and any knowledge to the public. He was never on the first forum with the cast of characters that have disappeared from the face of the earth, except by comment from Linda. He only knows background as told to him by Linda.

I have sat here this morning and read his post and have attempted to look within myself to see if I have had any "psychological "protective colouring"" in any of my answers or presentations. My best answer is, I am not sure. I know I have reacted on an emotional level when Linda has attacked Kim for no reason at all that I can see and my conclusion, all the way back to August of 2011, is that those posts were done by design and intent. Is having an emotional reaction to someones words "psychological colouring"? My gut response is no.

I have always attempted to tell the truth. Whether that truth be by links and citations as in the due-diligence or from first hand knowledge with witnesses. If this be "colouring" than I suppose the conclusion is that I am guilty.

However, when one only knows one side of the story told by only one person, that is an imbalance and no longer is entitled to be viewed as free of psychological colouring. I am sure that there are those that will read what I have just wrote. Perhaps those that have met Linda, have lived the experience from Paul's forum to the present, have witnessed the deceit put upon them, have perused the due-diligence with all the references, links and citations and who have met myself in person, along with Kim, are able to respond to the question of psychological colouring in regard to myself and Kim's nature as opposed to what Linda has portrayed. And then there are those that possibly can comment based upon what they have read. Both are welcome regardless of content. I openly admit that I am not perfect but have never heard Linda once admit anything even when confronted with truthful facts.

Does any of this matter? Not really, I suppose. What concerns me is how Linda is beginning to be perceived by others. She is not looking for serious answers and is being judged by "herding" with the UFO/tinfoil hat crowd. A member joined here in October, who is connected with a financial firm in the city, so that he could see the photos, however, he did not join at the Token but did read there as well. He used the links I had provided in my rebuttals as well as read different threads on the Token as well. I can't really say how much there or here he read. However, he did read the thread on the Conference on the Hut which were the photos he wished to view of those involved and of the Gravitors. What does this have to do with any of this? His objective view of the entire situation.

He stated those views in regard to myself but then he has known me since 1986, and he was quite frank with me (Luis, he pretty much paralleled some of your views) and I should just stop the rebuttals to an extent. The result of all his viewing at the Token is that he was quite concerned in that Linda is making a mockery of her Father, in his opinion. He also recommended that I would be wise to not even mention Brown's name in any of my work if I expected to get funding or grants. So far, I have not taken his advice to my chagrin.



In any other situation, I would agree, fruitbat's post would and could be considered as a well thought out post but not in this situation.

Mikado

[wags]

I gave my thoughts from a different perspective on Fruitbat's "Steve Clarke has Judged you all."

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1132&start=510

[FM No Static At All]

Nobody bothered to ask me!

Since I do know Mikado, have met him, and still consider him a good friend, I can testify that all that he said regarding Linda Brown, her father and his work, and even promoting the book(s) is accurate. I also was front and center involved in the creation of this forum. But it was Mikado who funded it not Linda Brown.

The Hut was designed to be a discussion of TTB's work and to promote Linda's fictional story that was loosely based on reality. The problem is that we did not know it was a fiction at all. We all thought they were taken from Linda's journals, the ones she said she kept since she was a little girl.

The story began to really unravel in Las Vegas, when I met several people including the person who was called Morgan in Paul's Schatzkin's manuscript Defying Gravity. Up until then I know that Mikado and I would and did defend her when many were being critical and asked questions that (at the time) did not seem relevant. And then they did,

And that was and remains the problem. We were lied to for years, and when we began to see the facts and what was true, instead of confessing and apologizing, we were viciously attacked verbally (most in writing) and accusations were made against us that was meant to destroy our integrity and honor.

It didn't work!

The only reason that I can determine for Linda Brown going after Kim, is to hurt Mikado.My personal feelings are that this is a very insidious thing to do.

[kevin]

Fred,
Many have been DISABLED.
And it was Your such word that led Me back here.

The thing is WHY???
Why disable such a fine collection of interested individuals , what, or who's agenda calls for such an action?
Kevin

[FM No Static At All]

Fred,


The thing is WHY???
Why disable such a fine collection of interested individuals , what, or who's agenda calls for such an action?
Kevin

If I understand your question my good man, the short answer is, in order to hide some truth, many lies were told. Once those lies began to be discovered, some of us dug deeper and we became a liability to the charade. It's really that simple.

The sad part is that most of us would have understood the reasons, and would have encouraged that we 'go forth' only with a navigation change. The reason many of us are here is because of the physics, not the personal life of TTB. Obviously known now but not then, was that there was an agenda which had nothing to do with the man's work, only his reputation.

[Mikado14]

Well Linda appears to be back from Texas with George. Must have been a long journey for she was taking every opportunity to come here and read and now she is posting references to post made here. It never ends with her. She makes the statement that she is not going to bother with this site. Makes statements that she is moving on and will not put any more energy into .....what ever it is that she is doing. Claims that Andrew and I are like "jilted lovers" (I actually felt ill on that...the thought of being her lover.....shudder......I don't like fat and unbathed individuals for starters...how about you Andy?). Well, moving along.

When someone gets on a rant, and she is over there running at full throttle and going in a circle, spinning her wheels and making allegations and some outright lies but here is a real good one.


This is in a thread where she was talking....er...posting to Fred, therefore, this is the best place to put this since Fred just posted here.

http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 922#p34922

Re: Andrew Bollands Story
Postby Linda Brown » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:15 pm

And Wags..... on the ttownsendbrown.com forum on June 27, 2015 you made this statement.

" I was invited by Mikado to a conference last year. ( He actually offered to pay the fare).

Now WHY would someone offer to do that unless it was a " Thankyou" for "services rendered"

I have paid many times as a " thank you" to people I felt were doing positive and helpful things....so I recognize the move.... but in this case.... why was Mikado paying you? What is it exactly that you have done for him? Its a question that many of us reading your words on the HUT should ask ourselves.

And Fred.
Mikado was never your friend. I paid for your room in Vegas AND your expenses.( you never knew that, did you?....if you did.... you certainly never thanked me)... I was like the others surrounding you at the time....I worried over your mentality after the loss of your wife.

You will also remember that other factions ( Mikado and Plad) were trying hard to get you to hand over the authorities that you had as the HUTMASTER at the time. They didn't trust you.... said that you were overwhelmed and they worried about security....( and it turned out later from some of your comments to an outsider that they were absolutely right to worry about you).

Your best move was to remove yourself from the strife that developed during those difficult times. I thought that was a good move on your part. And now you gallop back to defend Mikado against me? WHAT?

I would hope that you would remember things more clearly.... I think that you will discover that your so- called " friends" are not who they profess to be. And they have reasons for twisting your thoughts, especially against me.

Its a difficult lesson to learn but it is a freeing experience.

Look HARD at what happened then and what is happening now.

You do NOT have the friends there on the HUT that you thought you have... I thought that they were friends too... and I was wrong.

Linda Brown TTB Consortium July 2015

First comment is that I offered wags the airfare because I thought he would be interested in coming to see America and to meet all the vicious, underhanded individuals who are liars and have an agenda to destroy Linda Brown and all things connected with her Father....in that order. Why is it that an act of kindness coupled with an open hand toward friendship is always viewed by Linda as a conspiracy...that is...when she is on the outside?

Getting back to he real thrust of this post.

" I paid for your room in Vegas AND your expenses.( you never knew that, did you?....if you did.... you certainly never thanked me)... I was like the others surrounding you at the time....I worried over your mentality after the loss of your wife."

This statement is a bald face lie. Flat out lie. Stated to make her self appear as a generous and thoughtful person.

Pladuim went to Vegas and Fred shared his room. Pladuim paid for the room...you did not. Pladuim gave Fred some cash when Fred went home as did I.

You did not pay for the room....you freakin' frackin' liar.

As to Fred's mental state. We have seen how you are when you attacked Kim. You enjoy...no,....you relish using a point of grief in someone's timeline to attack on an emotional level...you sick person you.

What was Fred's mental state? Was he mental? Of course not but there you go using words to twist a picture that is different than the reality.

His wife had just passed away 2 weeks before we went. He wasn't going to go since he was low on funds due to her illness. Plad and I volunteered to help him financially and we felt that he could use the break from the previous two months. I won't go into details, not that you would even remember for you never pay attention to anything anyone says unless it involves you but suffice it to say, he took care of Cindi (sp?), as anyone would do when their loved one is ill to the extent that she was. He fought the good fight and MagicBill, bless him, helped to get equipment in an attempt to use alternative medicine to save her but it was too late.

How dare you use someone's grief and then fabricate lies based around that grief. You are sick, mentally sick. You project what you are onto Fred, which he is not. You use that grief and an emotional fragment out of his life in an attempt to inure that event to some benefit for you.

Kharma is a bitch. You really should start living a more spiritual life, as you claim you but your actions speak reams otherwise, and move on with it and practice being that gracious person you claim your Father was, especially when it inured to his benefit as we have seen in three instances.

Singing my name to these statements,

Mikado

[StarCat]

I spoke with Fred by phone a couple of times during Cyndi's illness. I had the impression that her care by the medical community was less than optimal. Unfortunately, optimal care seems to be profit driven. I haven't experienced losing a spouse, so I don't know what it feels like. I wish the outcome had been different.

Cat

[FM No Static At All]

Friends?
I can say a lot about friends. To all who read this I will make this claim: Mikado IS my friend. He was the ONLY one of my so-called friends who attended graveside services for Cyndi. Let me repeat that: Mikado was there by my side, not Linda. And yes Cat, thank you for your moral support. We had several telephone conversations during that period of time as I worked frantically and the healthcare services worked against me.

Plad rented the room. When I arrived in Vegas (at night) Plad had not yet arrived, so I waited in the lobby because I had no room to go to. Mikado met me and handed me cash for my 'expenses' while there. I do recall going food shopping with Plad and Linda, but as for giving me anything, a hard time on several occasions is what I remember most about that trip.

Oh and I did meet Linda and George at a buffet brunch at some casino in the California desert. That was the week of Thanksgiving that I spent with my cousin Robert and his wife Mary in Playa del Rey. Having met George, I still wonder why he has put up with Linda all these years. Oh, and there was a trip to Catalina that Linda cancelled with an excuse about her son-in-law missing a plane or something. That was during Thanksgiving week that I spent with my cousin in California.

Linda Brown never 'gave' anything to me. It was Mikado who approached me to build a new forum because Linda claimed that Andrew was reading her private messages on the 'Lights on...' forum that he created for her. Linda was on the conference call with Mikado and me.

And as for that crap about others wanting to take over as Hutmaster, it was Linda who felt that I needed a 'backup' and she chose Pladuim to be that person. I had no problem with the choice however looking back it seems that a plan to oust me had already been hatched. Coincidentally, I was in the process of getting an interview for Linda on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and was trying to contact Joseph Brown's widow and sons when the 'crap hit the fan' so to speak.

Neither Mikado nor Plad ever tried to get me to do anything. It was always Linda. The late Mr. Trickfox also attempted to manipulate me as per Linda's direction and that didn't work either. I also knew about Mr. Trickfox's past and his associations long before I was 'told' about him by Linda.

I lived with a bipolar wife for over 24 years. I have experience with 'mental' and emotional issues that most people have no idea what it is like to live with. Contrary to comments made by Mrs. Leach, while I may have been emotionally a wreck, my mental stability remained intact. I had to plan for being homeless and still remain in contact with family and friends. Several friends helped me by paying my phone bills and sending me a few bucks to get by on. None of those people were Linda Brown. I do believe Rose helped, so I will publicly acknowledge and thank you Rose.

This whole affair has been nothing short of convoluted cluster-f--k where good people were accused of bad things and many friendships lost. It is said that you find out who your true friends are when you are down. Mikado is a true friend. Linda Brown on the other hand attacked me when I was down, but you picked on the wrong guy this time. I am not a quitter and will stand up for principles always.

You on the other hand Mrs. Leach, are one of the most vile creatures I have ever known personally. To destroy the friendships you had by attacking their integrity and trust is vicious and evil. I have heard and read many excuses for your behavior and that does not change who you are.

Thank you? Are you serious?

[Mikado14]

And here is an example of the double standard.

http://www.cosmic-token.com/forum/viewt ... 568#p35568

Re: Raymond Lavas, What he actually knew
Postby Linda Brown » Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:04 pm

Again... people on the HUT trying to introduce their own thoughts about what was going on with Dad during that point in time... as if they were any kind of experts on the subjects. I say to them. Prove everything that you have said. PROVE IT.

I suggest to them to REALLY invest themselves in this story... meet people face to face instead of trying to present themselves as experts behind masks. All qualified information about Dads activities need to be brought out into the open. But the people doing it have to be able to themselves meet people face to face and be determined to be credible sources. I have not seen that happening yet.

A lot of negative opinions about me and my efforts.... toward what purpose?

Linda
Townsend Brown
August 2015

First off, Linda demands of others to "Prove everything you have said. PROVE IT."

What about all you have said from your memory for the past 12 plus years? When asked by others over the course of those discussions, proof was asked for and we were told that you were there. Not good enough missy for when one is writing a biography, as Paul Schatzkin was doing, and that memory comprises 90% or more of the information used in the writing, it comes into question on it's veracity and accuracy. You claim that individuals should meet people face to face...how about phone to phone? I think that suffices. How about from government records? I think that is a good third party source but then I have noticed, missy, that when it favors what you want it to say then it is a good source but when it is contrary to the story you have been telling then the record has been altered...of course there is never any proof of this mind you for we are indulged to take your word for it.

And yes, it takes money to get some of the info. But then there are some very good sources that are essentially free if you know how to look and .....what do you say?....oh yeah...connect the dots.

Things that have been said are all from research from credible sources. From interviews with individuals who were either present or are family relatives or friends that either grew up with you, Linda, or knew David Leland Smith. There have been interviews and written correspondence with others either involved or who provided documents. Discussions with those who worked in the time frame of certain facts reported at firms mentioned such as Brown working at GE Space Center as an engineer.......wrong. The record is there, he was never an engineer on GE's payroll. And part of the information comes from a person who was involved from the building of the vacuum chamber until his retirement in the late 80's.

Maybe that is why you are waging a "war" against me. You began to see my resources and the information I was coming up with and it was a threat to your story and how you wanted it presented. So what else could you do but discredit me. Frankly, if you would have just shut the hell up, as you agreed to in the Mc Donald's in Phoenixville in July of '11, and not spout the vitriol and not say the things you did in regard to Kim in August of 2011, you would still have your little world for I really wouldn't have cared about you. Your own pathic tendencies created all of this.

As to the Due-Diligence with the questions raised, the evidence presented and the only rebuttal from you has been vitriol and innuendo.




How is it that you "demand" others to "Prove it" when you do nothing of the sort?


....oh yeah.....the psycho/sociopath tendency where you are above all others.....yep.....yawn......


There is an old saying when someone keeps repeating themselves with no substantiation of fact.....blow it out your arse....it's about time, you should prove your words given to Paul and Morgan should make an appearance to Paul, even if subvertly....why has he never thought of that?......oh yeah....figments of your imagination find it difficult to take physical form.


Mikado

PS: If Morgan and twigsnapper are real then why haven't they made an appearance on your forum? No one has heard of them since the ttbrown forum....oh yeah....the IP thingy. Well you could use that Tor program that someone is using and create a new twigsnapper account on the Token....didn't think of that did you.