H A A R P

[KarenAnn23]

I was taping a show the other day and got interested in it . It's one of those new shows out Conspirisie something or other can find out though...

The guy who host it is an EX-Navy Seal, and a ex congressmen or something like that. Well the topic was HAARP. Now I know I've seen that up here on this board before...The Show so rang of T.T. Brown that I ended up watching it..

Now from what he was saying and showing...there is a big base in Alasca..double secruitie..and it is sapposed to be a base experimenting on changing the envirment...I was told back in the 70's Their was a treaty signed by 65 countrys, not to use this teck. against other nations, but you can test it in your own country..

This center when Millitary 20 some yrs ago and they say that it can cause weather changes and direct beems of what (not sure) It does remind me of what Man (MOOT) say months ago... the show even allouted to the ideal they used this weopon in Irak... or wherever...

so, I think this should be something else we discuse...when we have time...still working on the last part of the class...but don't let it stop you if this is a subject of interest.

Karen

[natecull]

Well the topic was HAARP. Now I know I've seen that up here on this board before...The Show so rang of T.T. Brown that I ended up watching it..

Now from what he was saying and showing...there is a big base in Alasca..double secruitie..and it is sapposed to be a base experimenting on changing the envirment...

Was he saying that HAARP was about changing the environment?

I have the book 'Angels Don't Play This HAARP' which is on my stack to read but I have to say that I am dubious of most of the conspiracy claims made about HARRP. It's an ionospheric heating facility, which means it points radio waves at a small point on the ionosphere and monitors how it changes in response. Unless there's a HUGE nonlinear response I don't think that this specific facility would be usable as a weapon, but I haven't checked out all the patent claims yet.

HAARP is basically a science facility. The experiments it runs are fairly open and documented, so it's not high-security. If there's another base which isn't open... that might be interesting.

[kevin]

Apparentely theres a haarp station in Norway where the spirals origonated from, possibly?
Kevin

[KarenAnn23]

They were talking about it heating the air ION...(SP) but also they said it used a billion watts...I don't know but that seems next to impossible to me..the place was huge, it had double secritie to get in.

Also, they talked about the things they looked like antena's, that they shot a beam into the air.. some of the things that were said was it was like a big cord going into the Ionisphere...sound fimilar here.. also about mind control by using the right frequencie.

They explianed that by saying it was like a radio station to your body (head) and tuning it you'd get static at places then you'd hit the right frequency and then it would affect someone.. more like feeling of anixity then ...go kill the pres. you know a bad feeling not a thought...

The one in alascka has been there for over 20 yrs. a funded millitary project..yeah we all know where that leads.. Not that I believed everything they said on the show mind you..but I couldn't did count it either..

Conspiracy Theory with jesse ventura... On TRU tv "HAARP" is the name of this episode..you may find it if you look up tru tv sometimes they even let you watch full shows or whatch for a rerun..

I'm not much for conspiracy, but this caought my attention because of what it was about..1st time I watched the show.

Karen

[natecull]

Apparentely theres a haarp station in Norway where the spirals origonated from, possibly?
Kevin

There is a HAARP-like facility called EISCAT in Norway, yes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EISCAT

The Above Top Secret forum discussed this extensively as a possible source of the Norway Spiral but given that a NAVTEX alert was given for Russian missile test two days before, the Russians admitted to a missile test, there is video of the phenomenon from Russia looking much more like particle emissions from a missile, and that similar displays have been witnessed in the last few years over Russia and China, it seems clear to me that the Spiral was in fact, as claimed, the Russian Bulava missile either demonstrating a third-stage failure, or a third-stage success. The Bulava has new design features to evade US antimissile techniques - those might conceivably include rotating and/or spraying chaff. The slow-shutter-speed photos look weirder than the videos and ordinary photos because they smear the spiral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulava
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Norwe ... al_anomaly
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread525461/pg1

[natecull]

They were talking about it heating the air ION...(SP) but also they said it used a billion watts...I don't know but that seems next to impossible to me..

HAARP is not in the gigawatt range, it is about 3.6 megawatts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionospheric_heater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP

HIPAS, also in Alaska, runs at 70 megawatts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIPAS

If there's another facility I'd be interested in hearing about it.

[KarenAnn23]

I don't know yet the difference between the two ...I will..right now I'm going back to my original subject...there so much to learn yet (well unending knowledge) .

The way I have always thought is I believe what I believe, until you prove something different...meaning my opinion can, will, and does change, for a good reason. I say this because decades earlie I believed the police never lied, the cleargy (religion) never told your secretes or touched kids, polititions were basicly honest, and the gov. only keep stuff from us for National security reason.. Now..I know this is not true, sometimes okay. but lies.

The scary thought for me was what that host said to the guy at the gate something like this

I'm a Navy Seal, been around, the millitary doesn't fund anything that doesn't have to do with a weopon of some kind.

Karen

[natecull]

I'm a Navy Seal, been around, the millitary doesn't fund anything that doesn't have to do with a weopon of some kind.

Sure, but there are weapons and there are weapons. Clear communications is a force multiplier in itself. We don't need to imagine science fiction megadeath Tesla scalar Schumann Resonance mind control weapons to understand why the US military is intrigued by the ionosphere. It's a thing we don't understand well which deeply affects critical systems (satellite launch and radio) and does odd things when we poke it, so building bigger sticks to (cautiously) poke it with is the natural human response.

Course it would be a useful spinoff if we could induce Starfish Prime like EMP blackouts or weather conditions over enemy territory with the relative power equivalent of a flashlight, but If we did understand it well enough to weaponise this sort of thing, I wouldn't expect to see that kind of research happening at a public science facility.

However if Townsend Brown's thesis that the atmosphere has an electrical charge directly linked to gravity is correct, then it seems like there might be a whole lot more power floating around up there than conventional models account for. So maybe a little bit of subtle poking *might* get big nonlinear effects.

[KarenAnn23]

How ever how sad if we have the teck. they talk about that it isn't being used to help humanitie..

As I get deeper and deeper into T.T.Brown...The more important this book becomes to me...People need to know that their are some out there that give and give and never ask for back..

What a great respect I have and what great man your Dad is Linda.

Karen

And yes I say is as if he were still alive..not lightly I do so. (No I'm not trying to say he is alive of course, just he is somehow with us YOu linda)

[Linda Brown]

Karen, Thankyou. Sometimes I feel my Dad along side too. and your quote about what the Navy Seal said is so accurate that it chills me to the bone.

Thats one of the reasons Dad always funded his own research... because he would not hand it over to be turned into a weapon. And though it would have millions and millions spent in that direction he would not let that happen during his lifetime. Of course sometimes they take without asking, but they can not take what they do not know about nor understand and thats the only power he have over a situation like that. And thats an ongoing situation I think. Someone once called this a " mulitgenerational project" and they were right. Linda