Cutting through the BS

[LuisP]

There is a tendency to call for bans and attempting to censor seems a repeating theme of you guys.

Evidence trumps Speculation trumps Fantasy

Wags
Do not play the victim. It does not suit you and you have no factual reason to support it.

No one wants to "ban" you. Sorry.
More, I for one, do even look forward to your participation with unmitigated interest.

The "banning" banner is upheld by another, prolific and relapsing, whom you never found at fault. Go figure why.

Except to those who, like me, appreciate your silence. And the volumes its speaks.

Let's cut the BS, sure :
- What do I care if one is a Homo or a Narcissist if what he/she does may be important and helpful ? Why do you insist on these kind of collateral issues ? Are you getting ready to pull out the "red mini-skirt fake blond" card ?

Is THIS what you have to say ?

I give you much more credit than that. Lots of.

So, please, let's stick to Evidence.


Hope you can be "bothered" to look at that.

[wags]

Luis

I did spend time looking at evidence where it existed and provided links. But evidence is far and wide and yes the conduct of the claimant is especially important IF the claims made circumvent the classic science method of Evidence etc, those pesky 13 rules again. (They scored zero out of 13). Not even one point nader nothing, nil point.

I remain silent on the other issue you raise.

[Mikado14]

In order to be banned, it would have to be VERY serious.

1. Posting personal information about someone on the forum.
If anyone wants personal information out there, they can do so. And banning would be last. There would be at least one or two notices and the posts would be deleted. The only such time I would delete with the exception of #3.

2. A Flame war.
I enjoy healthy discussion but when it turns into a personal character war, it will be met with a warning.
An example of this would be to argue a topic post made by someone and then argue from a position based upon their life style in an attempt at discrediting their position or in an attempt at character assassination. Use your wits to make a point and if you have it, some intelligence. I realize there is a fine line here but let's face it, I am talking obvious out an out personal attack. As to John Hutchison's sock puppet you tube? I would leave it. It was meant as humour.

3. Commercialization.
This would be immediate banning. There will be no placing of ads disguised as a post in a thread. Any post or ad made will deleted.

This forum is not governed by the Queen of Hearts. If two individuals go at it....sort it out yourselves....take a breath but remember this. Once a post is made, it will remain forever so think before you act.


Therefore speak your peace, make your point and let's see where it goes.

Mikado

[FM No Static At All]

As much as things change, they remain the same.

To start 'Cutting through the BS' one must consider that much of what we accept as physical science is yet based on theories. Granted that engineering from algorithms, developed from empirical data, gathered through experimentation is the method of classical science. But there is a flaw in the method.

Like Dr. Brown and others, experiments produced results that were unexplained by the conventional theories known at the time. Some were dismissed as random phenomena or they were 'tweaked' to fit within the current paradigm. A quick search on the work of Dayton Miller (I made several posts regarding his work) will demonstrate the politics of science played as much (if not more) of a role in the acceptance of 'new' discoveries made in experiments, that 'defy' the known 'laws' of the time.

Michelson-Morley provided a basis for acceptance of Einstein's Relativity, but Miller's work threw a wrench into the works as his data indicates that there is an 'aether drift' detected. The data is there for all to see but it is NOT part of accepted scientific 'facts' today. Why?

It is equally relevant to today's experimenter, to record results and try to explain them in terms of known physical laws. But as evident by the works of Dr. Brown and others (John Hutchison as an example) effects have been recorded that fly in the face of know physical law.

"A heretofore unknown force" must be investigated and not discarded as an aberration, considering that the results are repeatable. More investigation must be done instead of just dismissing the claims as unfounded.

[kevin]

No B.S.
Fabulous to see You posting.
That "unknown force" is what seems to be keeping Me here , and not melting away like a chocolate teapot.
I like that saying just used by Wags.
The thing is...
what is heat?
What is cold?
What is gravity?
What is electricity?
What is life?

Those sort of questions seem to make chocolate teapots melt down.
Perchance all above are this mystical bullshit unknown force?
Kevin

[LuisP]

Fred
If I may say so without sounding presumptuous or out of order, may I Thank You for sharing your thoughts, views and opinions. Much appreciated ... and needed, from where I stand.

Hope I may merit your patience in explaining what I will find difficult.

That is why I am here.

[FM No Static At All]

I recently encountered a series of videos and a website of Nassim Haramein that is appropriate to this topic's title.


http://resonance.is/explore/new-energy-research/

"NEW ENERGY RESEARCH
The Resonance Project is conducting ongoing research and development in theory and applications to improve our energy production techniques based on Nassim Haramein’s theoretical foundation. Haramein’s description of the nature of mass-energy clearly demonstrates not only the existence of the vacuum energy fluctuation predicted in quantum field theory to be real, but as well to be an active component in the creation of subatomic particles, atomic structures, and our universe as a whole. Our team of researchers explore the possibilities of interaction with this fundamental energy source for the betterment of our society as a whole. In several cases, our developments for new Energy Research utilize Applied Resonance as the energy generation principle."

I offered the theory of the late Harold Aspden (http://www.haroldaspden.com/) in which he too explained the dynamics of proton creation in many of his papers and the few books he published. The books are very expensive and no longer in print. Too bad. I'd love to own them. The website may have his works available for download now. Check it out for yourselves.

I also did some research into a fellow by the name of Gabriel Kron, and papers and books he wrote which are equally rare to acquire. Nonetheless, I was able to get them to borrow and was in the middle of converting them to PDF when things in my life took an unexpected turn and I was compelled to return the literature. I will see if I can start that process again for I feel that they are important in both physical science and social science, the latter I will not discuss out of context here.

There are paths to enlightenment that often are not where they are expected. Sometimes you must wander off the beaten path to discover anew!

[LuisP]

Very interesting post.

Never heard of them, not as if that is any surprise.

Will be checking both Haramein and Aspden, thanks. If you ever get to finish Kron's PDF's, please share.

The growing number of scholars talking about convergence between Physics and the Unkown or Unexplained .... is simply amazing. Why this is not a "part of accepted scientific 'facts' today", is very troubling.

Because it looks, and feels, premeditated.

[FM No Static At All]

It's always good to begin at a fork in the road!
From: http://www.orgonelab.org/miller.htm



"Dayton Miller's light-beam interferometer, at 4.3 meters across, was the largest and most sensitive of this type of apparatus ever constructed, with a mirror-reflected round-trip light-beam path of 64 meters. It was used in a definitive set of ether-drift experiments on Mt. Wilson, 1925-1926. Protective insulation is removed in this photograph, and windows were present all around the shelter at the level of the interferometer light-path."

Consider the size of this device in an enclosure that is humidity/temperature controlled and vibration dampened. Now consider this:

"The history of science records the 1887 ether-drift experiment of Albert Michelson and Edward Morley as a pivotal turning point, where the energetic ether of space was discarded by mainstream physics. Thereafter, the postulate of "empty space" was embraced, along with related concepts which demanded constancy in light-speed, such as Albert Einstein's relativity theory. The now famous Michelson-Morley experiment is widely cited, in nearly every physics textbook, for its claimed "null" or "negative" results. Less known, however, is the far more significant and detailed work of Dayton Miller.

Dayton Miller's 1933 paper in Reviews of Modern Physics details the positive results from over 20 years of experimental research into the question of ether-drift, and remains the most definitive body of work on the subject of light-beam interferometry. Other positive ether-detection experiments have been undertaken, such as the work of Sagnac (1913) and Michelson and Gale (1925), documenting the existence in light-speed variations (c+v > c-v), but these were not adequately constructed for detection of a larger cosmological ether-drift, of the Earth and Solar System moving through the background of space. Dayton Miller's work on ether-drift was so constructed, however, and yielded consistently positive results.

Miller's work, which ran from 1906 through the mid-1930s, most strongly supports the idea of an ether-drift, of the Earth moving through a cosmological medium, with calculations made of the actual direction and magnitude of drift. By 1933, Miller concluded that the Earth was drifting at a speed of 208 km/sec. towards an apex in the Southern Celestial Hemisphere, towards Dorado, the swordfish, right ascension 4 hrs 54 min., declination of -70° 33', in the middle of the Great Magellanic Cloud and 7° from the southern pole of the ecliptic. (Miller 1933, p.234) This is based upon a measured displacement of around 10 km/sec. at the interferometer, and assuming the Earth was pushing through a stationary, but Earth-entrained ether in that particular direction, which lowered the velocity of the ether from around 200 to 10 km/sec. at the Earth's surface. Today, however, Miller's work is hardly known or mentioned, as is the case with nearly all the experiments which produced positive results for an ether in space. Modern physics today points instead to the much earlier and less significant 1887 work of Michelson-Morley, as having "proved the ether did not exist".

Then we have Harold Aspden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR4u9iu2Cvs (by TheOldScientist) and http://www.free-energy-info.com/P23.pdf (Modern Aether Science) a paper by Aspden.

That will keep you busy for a bit!

[kevin]

LuisP,

The above excellent links by Fred are central to WHY I have been embroiled in all of this mullarky for 8 loooooong years.

But it is because I ( Me a human being) detect something even more and far far more bizarre alltogether.
Try to consider that the Earth is not drifting through a sea of aether, but instead that the aether is flowing in all directions at once, but locally creates a dominant cross feature of polarity and equator.
Then look at Haramiens torus.
At all scale the self same modus operandi operates.
The illusion of seperate planets and stars is powerfull.
ALL is ONE.

A super dense, super conductive and perfectly packed universal platform.
The aether ( resonance) flows about the geometry of the omni present platform enabling creation.

MEMORY.

But it is not life as We have known it LuisP.

It's stunningly far far more fabulous, and I love it, and am humbled to glimpse it.

Without knowing the basic system You might as well pee in the wind , as such trying to operate with that system.

Kevin