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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby LuisP » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:53 pm

Hahahaha … it seems Catholic schools over there quit their Disciplinam much sooner than over here ! Father Mortágua, a teacher who doubled as our Confessor, had a heavy hand and an heavier Palmatoria still, with which he enhanced our learning skills !

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Bless him, no better Man walked this Earth and the hand palms I got from him were well deserved, I have to say. Kids can be Hell, and at times, true, I sure did my best to put the place ablaze. “Vade Retro, Satana !” I would scream at the top of my voice, eyes bulging, when he for the eleventh time tried to convey the fact that my writing should NEVER be done outside the thin blue parallel lines of the Grammar pad.

This was swiftly followed by 6 (six !) hand palms. On each hand, for good measure. But gently done, almost a tap. No big deal. As I also sometimes told him, just to show how tough I was. Only to have it followed by a more Spartan 2 (two !) hand palms – on each hand - these done in a lot less tapping mood.

But he used it with moderation for he was a believer in “Persuasio”, that is, persuasion. So, he would exemplify the wrath that could be unleashed by letting us hold the Palmatoria, feel its weight, touch the perfect forms designed towards the end it had been manufactured, and by it all, understand the silent power contained in a simple, rather large, flat wooden spoon.

That worked with most of the kids.

But, like a few others, I would keep on speaking Latin.

From time to time.

Many years later, a very frail Father Mortágua would Baptize my daughter. And a few later still, I would cry at his funeral.

Memory lane indeed …
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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:19 pm

LuisP wrote:Well, a bit of a spanking (ahem) may be an healthy initiative, I guess.

Thing is, there are some who like it.

So that they can cry harder.

And, yes, to the likes of these, you just made their day.



Think about it …


Oh Luis, I did think about it for the past two weeks or so. I agree with you and will state that I GUARANTEE that she will be crying as hard as her lungs will allow but at some point, someone has to take some initiative to quiet the kids in the back seat of the car. If it wasn't for you or Nancy posting here, and myself, she wouldn't have too much to complain about.

I thought, the received emails above with what Kim will comment to me in regard to what she reads over there and then attempts to tell me things and I ask her to not do so but inevitably, I hear some of it and still, I do not do as Linda does. However, at what point is the same rhetoric too much?

Well, there is a method to my madness.

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby StarCat » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:34 pm

I think, Mikado, that Kim is very protective of you.

Luis, I think the more strident discipline was still happening in the eastern U.S. My son-in-law was born in 1972 and went to Catholic schools in PA. He once made a nun cry.

When I was still active in Catholicism, before embracing my pagan roots, there were discussions in my parish of the differences between eastern seaboard Catholicism and Catholicism here in the wild wild west. We're more left field out here. We rejected the 1976 Olympics and marijuana is legal. Now, if the Rockies could just get it together and get to the World Series. Sigh.

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby Mikado14 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:01 am

Open my email this morning and I have not one, not two, but three emails. One of them are Linda frothing about the "time out" and one is from Blue. I find it truly amazing that this person only appears when it involves an interaction with me. The reality of it all is that it is only an alter ego of Linda Brown for if it were truly a different person...Dave....I am sure Linda would have jumped at the chance to froth at the mouth but she hasn't for some reason....because the posts are bullcrap.

and yet another email wrote:----- Original Message -----
From: xxx@yahoo.com
To: kim_c58
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 7:49 PM


Re: All about Helen Towt!
by Linda Brown » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:17 pm

This is what Mikado had to say about Helen after devoting ALOT of time talking about her...." accident" and automobile crash...... its worth reading how very careful he was to lay it all out... telling actually as to his interest ..... and then he ended it all by saying

vie ... =45&t=1118

Now an argument could be made that the then 22 year old was an operative for an alphabet agency but it would be groundless and fails to hold up. It becomes nothing more than speculation, a fanciful thought at best.

Mikado

Mikado... I never mentioned an "Alphabet agency" as you have said above. I do believe that she was an operative for the Stephenson network.... as I believe my Mother was.... with her neices current help I believe that we have already uncovered enough information to make that a working theory that deserves attention.... It is interesting to me that you and your group would spend so much time to discount that possibility. Why is that Mikado?

You say that it is "groundless and fails to hold up." Perhaps.... but why should anyone listen to anything that you have to say. You are not spotless here......and your agenda slip has been showing!

I note also that you mention that it is strange that the article you quote is based out of Huntindon.... the same place that you and Paul met in Pa..... as if you couldn't quite let that escape notice... for some strange reason. Blowing your own horn just a bit?

Now I can fairly predict that Linda will say it is all a cover up but Occam's razor can pretty well eliminate that for afterall, that is her excuse whenever something doesn't fit with one of her stories..."it has been faked". Well, I find it very serendipitous or at the very least a joke by the universe....the newspaper this report came from is Huntingdon County, the very same town that the meeting occurred in with Paul in December of 2008. Who knew that TWO events would be linked there.

YOU DID Mikado. YOU DID. Your mask was slipping there because of your own ego.
Egos can be dangerous things sometimes. Linda
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And one must love how it is so difficult to determine who said what. In her passion to post something, she can't even take the time to quote.

But it should be noted however, that there is a newspaper article along with one from Helen's hometown that has been posted and Linda doesn't mention that one but continues to harp...froth...about the one from Huntingdon. If she really was concerned, she would find that there are numerous newspaper articles about the accident. The only problem is that you must pay to have access to the archives of which Johnstown, PA is one and West Chester, PA is another which is where the accident happened. The photo for the front page article that was posted on the appropriate thread was paid for.

Now, why is it that no one, not one person, in all of the research in regard to the book "Defying Gravity" or the book "The Good Bye Man" doesn't know any of this? Could it be that perhaps Linda is spending her money to go see Blue instead of spending for proper research? ...nah....she just taps into that fertile imagination of hers for answers or that elevator like box that Morgan took her for a ride in......(snicker)...(giggle)..

Out of the three emails, two are from a single account and there is a whole new account. Looks like I have three that are now sending me emails. Let's see, would the fictional Blue, Morgan or twigsnapper be one of them?

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby Nancy_Hutchison » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:56 pm

Cliff Notes on WTH happened with Linda Brown and this forum would be appreciated.
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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby LuisP » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:07 pm

Nancy, far as I go, I'll leave that to Mikado, if he so wishes.

To me, nothing special happened, much less to "this forum" !

Just a mistake, kinda hiccup, with a bit of a (ahem) onsuing well deserved spanking.
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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby LuisP » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:42 pm

Speaking of spankings, which God knows why reminds some of Latin (or is it the other way round ?)

It seems you’re a “stray” cat, Cat !

All that follows is completely unrelated to present issues around here, not to mention, uncalled for and even inappropriate, but I simply cannot resist addressing it. Too strong a pull.

Jesuits are extraordinary Men. Very unusual. Almost alien, you might say.

Their Order exists since 1540 and its early adherents referred to themselves as the “Company of Jesus”, before settling on the present designation of “Society of Jesus”.

They are known as the “Soldiers of Christ”. And dress in a full black cassock fastened with a belt called a stash.

Their founder, a Spanish called Ignatius De Loyola (he's buried in the heart of Rome at the magnificent Chiesa del Gesù, by the Piazza Venezia), gave them a Motto. Which is commonly referred to by the acronym “AMDG” which stands for AD MAIOREM DEI GLORIAM, Latin for “for the greater glory of God”.

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Loyola also made them take three vows : Poverty. Chastity. And Obedience to Christ.
Later, a fourth was introduced, that stands till today : Obedience to the Pope.

Their purpose ?

Simple one. The propagation of the Catholic faith by any means possible.

And those “any means” came down to Education. Nothing fancy, or sinister.

Just “Education”.

By Ignatius’s death in 1556, the Jesuits had already founded 74 colleges on three continents.
Today, there are 28 Jesuit universities and colleges in the United Sates alone (including Georgetown, Fordham University, Loyola University and Boston College), and there are approximately 189 Jesuit institutions of higher learning throughout the world.

Ever since its founding, the Society of Jesus is known for free-thinking. The Jesuits encourage toleration for other religions, teach other theology in their institutions, and also believe in free education for all.

Their path, consequently, was not an easy one.

In 1767, led by charges that the Jesuits were too influential and elitist, Pope Clement XIV decreed the Suppression of the Society of Jesus.
In 1814, forty seven years afterwards, Pope Pius VII restored the Jesuits—but not all countries followed suit.
Switzerland, for instance, had banned the Jesuits under their Constitution. They only lifted it after a national vote … in 1973. That is, one hundred and fifty nine years later.

Nearly 500 years gone by since Ignatius Loyola, a Jesuit, for the first time ever, was elected Pope.

His name is Francis, and you can see him today, in Rome.

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Undated photo of Argentine Jesuits with present Pope at lower left


All this to say that pagan roots are not incompatible with Catholicism. Quite the contrary, actually.

Who taught me that was a Jesuit.

Name of Mortágua.
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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby StarCat » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:31 pm

You didn't mention Regis University or Regis High School. Regis High School produced our hometown Olympic swimmer Missy Franklin.

I'm quite familiar with the pagan roots incorporated into Catholicism. I simply feel more at home with elder ways. As far as being a stray, I think Mikado made a reference to my being an alley cat at some point in the past. Or maybe I made that reference. My senior moments get me confused.

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby re-rose » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:41 am

Thanks for the history of the Jesuits, Luis. Mr. Rose was born a Catholic and received a Catholic education from childhood through College. Given what I know of him now, I will lovingly say they probably saved him from an early incarceration. His spiritual path has since taken him far from those roots, so I've never asked any questions about the Church or its orders.

You said The propagation of the Catholic faith by any means possible and I had shudders of the Spanish Inquisition. But because of your post, I have done a little research and am more kindly disposed to them. If time allowed, the history of the Jesuits in China would make for fascinating reading.

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby LuisP » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:07 pm

You are quite correct Cat, and my apologies for not having mentioned the prestigious Colorado based Regis University ! My only excuse is that, to all effects, the Jesuits do have around 2 dozens of high education institutions in the US. All of them prestigious.

Because their trademark is Knowledge with Excellence.

That is, Education.

Done by teachers, and performed by students, schooling without excellence is but mere Teaching and Learning which will only produce parrots, fed by equal birds.

Jesuits are everything but parrots. In fact, they are, indeed, Educators. For each one of them is a highly cultured and knowledgeable man. Stern, yes, demanding, absolutely, unforgiving of slackness and indifference, too true as I know by first “hand” experience !

But Men. And Men of the Faith, meaning, on a Sacred Mission. Which is undissociated from Compassion, Understanding and Love.

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It is not a path that can be trod by a anyone. But only by the Best. For it is full of hardships, sacrifices and incomprehension.

That is why they are the “Soldiers of Christ”. Unafraid, Uncompromising and Unflinching.
But also, Compassionate and Loving.

In a society nowadays abandoned to praise and easy rewards of mediocre performances, the Jesuits are a staunch island of blessed an unrepentant Excellence, if I may say so without sounding too holier than thou.

They Teach to Educate, and not simply to provide Learning.

Am really quite surprised (gladly so !) at yours and Rose’s reaction to my post for I was rather afraid my dwelling onto this subject could be misinterpreted ! Too many “Preachers” and “Bible Belt” fans out there.

A “stray sister”, though, got the best of me. And I felt “the Pull”.

Mortágua, that Rock of a man and surrogate Father, called all his students “my angeli” and some of us his “angeli lapsus”, his “fallen angels”. These he looked at with “special interest” and personal involvement because he felt they had been “placed” in his Path to test his “commitment and truth”, or so he told me many years after I had stopped being a “angelus” of his.

I was privileged to have had him “placed in my path”. And am thankful for it to this day.

You would have liked to know him, Cat. And he would have taken a “special interest” in you. Am sure.


Rose,
The “Church” has many Orders. It would be excessive and tiresome so dwell on that, so let's suffice to say that these are sub classified in Canons, Monastic, Mendicant and Clerics.

Within this last one, fall the Jesuits.

They never had anything to do with “The Inquisition”.

That was the domain of the Mendicant Order of the Dominicans.

In the 13th century, Pope Gregory IX assigned them the duty of carrying out inquisitions of “heretics and other offenders of canon law”. They are known as the “Black Friars", from the black mantle worn over their white habit.

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A Dominican friar

They are also commonly, and fearly, known by a play upon their name. For “Dominican” can be broken into two Latin words : Domini and Cani.

Meaning, the “Dogs of the Lord”.

Terrible stuff. And the Church’s darkest chapter.

On the other hand, Jesuits, or the “Society of Jesus", are one of its brightest.

They arrived in China only after having first reached Japan. If you think their history in China is fascinating, what then to say of its imprint in Japan.
Only 3 (three !) years after their recognition by the Pope and the founding of their Order, Portuguese Navigators brought them to the land of the Rising Sun, in 1543.

They were the first Europeans to arrive there. The Portuguese, I mean. And so, naturally, were the Jesuits.

Who immediately set “to work”.

So enterprising and successful were they, that less than 40 years afterwards they had converted to Christianity a powerful daimyo, a Japanese warlord by the name of Ōmura Sumitada. Following his baptism, he was known as “Dom Bartolomeu”.

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The unrelenting interest shown by those “priests” in knowing and learning the habits, language and ways of Japanese culture would give turn to dramatic violence and suspicion from the Shogun, Japan’s ruler.

In 1640, less than a hundred years after their arrival, he would expel the Jesuits.

Not before publicly beheading a few dozen of them.

In the meantime, Portuguese laymen were welcome. Most. For they had introduced firearms in Japan, along with the Jesuits and Christianity. Also, they were very able seamen who indulged in piracy. Against Chinese trade and ships.

And that’s how the Jesuits arrived in China.
By sailing with pirates.

Fascinating Men. Since ever…


My regards to Mr. Rose.
You should ask him about things.
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