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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby Mikado14 » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:20 am

Going to Catholic High School, I was privileged as well to have had a Jesuit, who was visiting for a year, teach a class I attended. He earned my respect as a teenager which was not an easy task as it is with most teenagers. I remember him fondly and the many discussions that were had. A disappointing day when he left.

I believe I understand you on another level.

And one more thing, never be afraid to speak your piece....here. It may not be received well but then a fart never is in a crowded room either but it does dissipate in time...might be a bad example but I think you will understand...with a smile and a laugh.

So continue, please.

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby LuisP » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:11 pm

HA ! Not only smiling, but really laughing, here ...

Tx.

Strange what one sees when peeling an onion.

Levels. Layers.

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Who would heve guessed ? You, Nancy, Cat, me, the unquestioning Rose and her Mister .....

Suddenly, a common "level".

Yes, purely coincidental.

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby StarCat » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:31 pm

Mikado and Luis. Teaming up to make people cry with farts and onions.

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby LuisP » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:34 pm

Hahahahaha ....

Hell of a Team.

Onions and Farts, I mean.
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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby TheTraveler » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:52 am

Um, you can add one more to the all the ducks in the holy pond
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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby LuisP » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:06 am

Hello Traveler
Now, why am I not surprised by that ?

I quit trying to understand the power of Levels a long time ago ....
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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:52 am

And another email, with several others, that I find curious enough to post.


----- Original Message -----
From: xxx@yahoo.com
To: kim_c58
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 11:25 PM

Re: SECRET SPACE COMMAND, continues
by Linda Brown » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:24 am

King of Prussia.... General Electric.... vacuum chamber....and wierdly..... Mikado... all tied up together.... and then the name Wanamaker......have no idea what that means but going to go find out. Sometimes.... as you know CAT.... you have to be ontop of the vibrations before they focus.....anybody have anything else to say about King of Prussia?

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:37 am

What becomes wearisome is the repetition of truth or so others have said. It never surprises me to hear those manipulators or history revisionists to extoll to others how someone can appear to be consistently repeating themselves. However, it is the way it is. The truth is repetitious and should always be repetitious. So, is it wearisome to hear the truth repeated? Of course not.

It has been said, in regard to yours truly, that I am repetitious in those things I have said in regard to Linda Brown. It is what it is, the repetitious truth...and if it is not, then it becomes distortion and that is when the lie begins.

And now the repetitious part. I see Linda is at it again, bringing up old subjects that have been discussed and researched. It is not unusual to bring up old subjects to review or to see if new information has been unearthed but when it begins to morph into something else, well, we will see how that goes.

Here are previous researchs that has been done and discussions:

This is the first time that the vacuum chamber was mentioned.

http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2377#p2377


A post made by Langley with information he dug up off the internet, some is repetitious:

http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 574#p12574


Here is first hand experience that was posted:

http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4366#p4366


And then there was this further information that bubbled to the surface:

http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3982#p3982


Here is something that may be applicable...and then maybe not...depends on what you get out of it:

http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17950#p17950 wrote:A lady told me a story that was told to her by a man. They were on a beach or it might have even been a desert but there was sand everywhere. He took one grain of sand and held it out in the palm of his hand and asked her what she saw, her response was "a grain of sand". He responded by saying, "look again" and she replied, "nothing". He said, "your right, nothing and everything. There is more in that grain than you can see but everything starts out that small, when you pick up the grain of sand from the beach, it is a grain of sand but when you put it back down it becomes a part of the whole, everything is connected. Take this back to him. Also, one grain of sand can be an obstacle when out of place so you have to be careful, take this to her with the dog named after him."


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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:52 am

Continuing:

A post made by Chris Knight http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4389#p4389 :

Chris Knight wrote:Radomir,

Your initial assumption was that an apparatus would require an in-vacuum proof-of-concept test (completely reasonable since that is what we have been talking about). Looking back at an earlier post:

quote wrote:"Brown worked on a number of apparatuses, and they all share a common denominator. They are like the bloodlines we have been discussing. One apparatus won't necessarily do the same thing as another - for example, a generator and a cell phone both put out energy, but they serve entirely different functions and are modified to maximize a certain electromagnetic effect."



There are numerous iterations in which air pressure, vacuum, ion wind, and so on, are of no consequence whatsoever. i.e. there's more than one way to hoe a field. Most of the work we're involved in is proprietary to Qualight, but if one wanted to build a tri-arcuate disc, I suspect one could build a full-on proof of concept for, say $20-40k. If one wanted.

The cost would depend entirely on if you were to build it yourself, or buy.

Power supplies are cheap. If you build them yourself even cheaper. I bought a pair of lab grade +/- 50KV / 1mA supplies 20 years ago for about $2,000 each. Those were pretty small units - about 5" x 5" x 14", so I'll bet you could get a decent supply easily enough. Waveshaping would increase the complexity, but not further than someone with some EE background could build. I'd probably go to 500KV / 1mA minimum.

For the disc, you'd want to use a material that didn't suffer as much from out-gassing such as stainless steel, but you could also use aluminum to save cost, and you'd have it spun in one large piece.

I have to admit, I don't remember the rotating-drum patent, but the vertical and horizontal thrust use two different but similar structural appurtenances. Vertical thrust I'd start with a design from Project Winterhaven, which I put at http://www.qualight.com/kinetics/winter.htm (I see my image links aren't working - I'll fix that).

The most expensive part would be a vacuum chamber - if you were a decent machinist, etc. you could build a sizable vacuum chamber at reduced cost, but that would be a bit complex for most people - you'd need special welding equipment and a machinist shop. Stainless steel, glass and ceramic construction inside. All-metal seals with copper gaskets, and say, a titanium alloy or stainless steel wall construction.

Also, note that one pump won't get you down past 10E-6. From Wikpedia:

quote wrote:Several types of pumps may be used in sequence or in parallel. In a typical pumpdown sequence, a positive displacement pump would be used to remove most of the gas from a chamber, starting from atmosphere (760 Torr, 101 kPa) to 25 Torr (3 kPa). Then a sorption pump would be used to bring the pressure down to 10-4 Torr (10 mPa). A cryopump or turbomolecular pump would be used to bring the pressure further down to 10-8 Torr. An additional ion pump can be started below 10-6 Torr to remove gases which are not adequately handled by a cryopump or turbo pump, such as helium or hydrogen.



I would scour military surplus yards, Army-Navy surplus stores, Ebay, etc. and if that didn't come up with anything, I'd go to my local university physics department and see what they have.

In my mind, it comes down to how much passion would a person be willing to put into a project like that rather than the money. We are easily talking possibly about a multi-year project with significant financial input and intellectual learning for the potential of little to no return aside from knowledge. Plus, the machinery, tools, supplies, and vacuum chamber would have to be stored somewhere where you had enough room to work. Coupled with day to day living and distractions, I don't know many people offhand who are that dedicated.


As a refresher, Chris Knight is Andrew Bolland who since the late 80's, has had unlimited access to Brown's records, notes etc from the Brown family archive. He has since moved and appears to not have any active interest in Brown's work and sold off all of his collection in regard to the Philadelphia Experiment.

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Re: Emails from the Token

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:55 am

And it would appear that the story of the "Secret Space Command" has been brought up again for review. I suppose next will be how the TV show "Stargate" was an information campaign to bring the general public up to speed.

And those who are familiar with "Stargate" will understand why I bring it up.

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