Building Bridges

[Mikado14]

We may be talking two different principles.

What I understand from your definition is when confronted with something "new", you are referencing the creation of a "new" equation. Do I have that correct?

[wags]

We may be talking two different principles.

What I understand from your definition is when confronted with something "new", you are referencing the creation of a "new" equation. Do I have that correct?

Essentially Yes. But there are other physical principles that determine these things. Not easy to define in a forum post.

[Mikado14]

I see. What I was referencing was existing equations. For example, the equations for reactance, capacitive or inductive. Or the formulas for a simple transistor circuit of which most are based upon Ohm's law.

So, I was only referencing the situation of existing equations that are used in an application, already engineered.

And I agree with you in regards to the forum but, I believe that anything "new" must, I repeat must, have equations derived from a data set. I knew someone who felt that equations should come first but if you don't have data to "create" the equation, how do you know how to derive such?

Mikado

[wags]

I see. What I was referencing was existing equations. For example, the equations for reactance, capacitive or inductive. Or the formulas for a simple transistor circuit of which most are based upon Ohm's law.

So, I was only referencing the situation of existing equations that are used in an application, already engineered.

And I agree with you in regards to the forum but, I believe that anything "new" must, I repeat must, have equations derived from a data set. I knew someone who felt that equations should come first but if you don't have data to "create" the equation, how do you know how to derive such?

Mikado

Tend to agree except if you are devising the experiment in the first place and how to obtain a reliable high quality data set becomes essential.

[Mikado14]

Tend to agree except if you are devising the experiment in the first place and how to obtain a reliable high quality data set becomes essential.

Absofreakin'lutely!!

Could not agree anymore.(as my above wording should indicate <g>)

Mikado

[re-rose]

Tend to agree except if you are devising the experiment in the first place and how to obtain a reliable high quality data set becomes essential.

Absofreakin'lutely!!

Could not agree anymore.(as my above wording should indicate <g>)

Mikado

And where a new cause/effect relationship is claimed to have been discovered, must one understand how it works in order to collect data to prove or disprove the claim? I think not, but then I'm simple like that.

rose

[Mikado14]

Tend to agree except if you are devising the experiment in the first place and how to obtain a reliable high quality data set becomes essential.

Absofreakin'lutely!!

Could not agree anymore.(as my above wording should indicate <g>)

Mikado

And where a new cause/effect relationship is claimed to have been discovered, must one understand how it works in order to collect data to prove or disprove the claim? I think not, but then I'm simple like that.

rose

I repeat my post from above:

Absofreakin'lutely!!

Could not agree anymore.(as my above wording should indicate <g>)

Mikado

[wags]

Tend to agree except if you are devising the experiment in the first place and how to obtain a reliable high quality data set becomes essential.

Absofreakin'lutely!!

Could not agree anymore.(as my above wording should indicate <g>)

Mikado

And where a new cause/effect relationship is claimed to have been discovered, must one understand how it works in order to collect data to prove or disprove the claim? I think not, but then I'm simple like that.

rose

I repeat my post from above:

Absofreakin'lutely!!

Could not agree anymore.(as my above wording should indicate <g>)

Mikado

Yes I also go along with all that Rose.

[TheTraveler]

If I may..

The problem with all the above, is that while I agree that education should be and is about the process of learning how to learn, the established standards in society today is that without that "paper education", one is not qualifies to be smarter or excel further than one who is not.

In our society there is little room for the uneducated to hold positions of power and rank, for they never went to school and learned the way to learn. To me, the truly educated person has nothing to do with going to school. Can it help, and is it necessary; in most cases yes. But just as with our scientific community, who are most often closed minded to many new thoughts and ideas, the public in general consider those who are uneducated to be somehow inferior, for after all, they do not have the holy paper.

I could go on here with stories about the many people I have hired over the years, but this is one of my hot spots for I have seen many individuals over time, who for whatever reason, did not or could not receive a "proper education" but in some mystical way were in fact the real reason that their superiors succeeded instead of failed.

Anyway, that is just my opinion.

[Mikado14]

The mediocre riding on the backs of the brilliant?

Sounds like any corporate structure.

Mikado