is it just me?

[wags]

Yes, Wags. I would have thought so, right up to Kevin's eviction.

rose

I can see your point, I think the wording is becoming a challenge. I think that each of the posters have gravitated for a variety of reasons, none have shown any reasonable evidence that our forum hosts were involved in any such a conspiracy of sheer madness.

Kevin's 'Constructive' eviction, is I totally agree the crucial event. I think there is much here that none of us really know.

[re-rose]

I'm sorry Kim. It just seems that every time I post something Mikado accuses me of making excuses, so I was hypersenstive. I'm just trying to figure out what the reason would be for wanting to have a forum united only by a common enemey.

I'm not invested in any particular narrative, but just for the fun of it, I am going to continue to explore this one. I am speaking in terms of my own general knowledge and not making personal accusations,
What I know is

A. There are academic circles that study forum behavior in terms of group dynamics. An area of particular interest to the academics is group response to dissension, and individual's responses to bots.( With today's technology it is possible to create artful conversation bots, and in fact a redditor did such a thing and then posted to show the bot's dialogs. They were good enough to fool many into thinking they were speaking to a sentient being.) They also use accounts that are shared accounts, with more than one person posting to them. And they make use of sock puppet accounts. On the internet, it is never possible to know what's what, and what motivates any given poster.

So that's one side of it....groups are intentionally created and dissassembled.

The are two other influences that could possibly account for inexplicable behavior.

B. Some people are uniquely sensitive to geomagnetic and electrical impulses, and a whole movement has sprung up to investigate the degree to which illicit mind control methods have been developed and put into place.

C. There is some sentient guiding force which sets up dominoes to fall in the desired direction. Keven finding his lost password is like one of those falling dominoes.

Just because we can't prove that any of those have been at work here does not mean that they have not been.

rose

[re-rose]

Mikado,

Yes, Wags. I would have thought so, right up to Kevin's eviction.

rose

I can see your point, I think the wording is becoming a challenge. I think that each of the posters have gravitated for a variety of reasons, none have shown any reasonable evidence that our forum hosts were involved in any such a conspiracy of sheer madness.

.

Where did I say that they were? In fact, at the time Mikado called to talk about the invitation and as we were hanging up my last words to him were, "It's a trap." That surprised even me, because I had not consciously thought that at all and couldn't understand why I would say that out of the blue.

rose

[wags]

Mikado,

Yes, Wags. I would have thought so, right up to Kevin's eviction.

rose

I can see your point, I think the wording is becoming a challenge. I think that each of the posters have gravitated for a variety of reasons, none have shown any reasonable evidence that our forum hosts were involved in any such a conspiracy of sheer madness.

.

Where did I say that they were? In fact, at the time Mikado called to talk about the invitation and as we were hanging up my last words to him were, "It's a trap." That surprised even me, because I had not consciously thought that at all and couldn't understand why I would say that out of the blue.

rose

We are in dangerous water here Rose, well I guess those words may have being prophetic in hindsight.

[kevin]

Mikado,

Yes, Wags. I would have thought so, right up to Kevin's eviction.

rose

I can see your point, I think the wording is becoming a challenge. I think that each of the posters have gravitated for a variety of reasons, none have shown any reasonable evidence that our forum hosts were involved in any such a conspiracy of sheer madness.

.

Where did I say that they were? In fact, at the time Mikado called to talk about the invitation and as we were hanging up my last words to him were, "It's a trap." That surprised even me, because I had not consciously thought that at all and couldn't understand why I would say that out of the blue.

rose

"Out of the blue"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A5UqdXK-10
kevin

[LuisP]

Mysteries … mysteries.

Madness ? surely. Method ? But of course, the maddest people are extremely methodical, or so some Doctors say. And I see no “rational” reason to doubt them. So I don’t.

Quite different is the three pronged “herding/goading/prodding” thing. Which, I concur entirely, has in fact existed.
And different why ? because here, inside this “thing”, there isn’t any madness at all. Just Method.

Also – and quite contrary to Roses’ opinion (sorry, but to me you’re seeing it way upside down, which, from a certain preconceived point, makes sense, I have to admit) - this three pronged “method” …. was not subsequent to anyone’s departure, but had - in very real terms - existed since before. And for very long.

Less cryptically, but still figuratively, given the all too real people involved

Take this example :
- I love a person. I want that person all to myself. The object of my love is a bit manic-paranoid. I exploit, gently – but methodically - that person’s Manias and Paranoias. That person is no fool, so I tell that person that I am doing it out of Love, which, afterall, may be exactly the truth. That person has friends, some of whom may have a different notion of the nature of my influence on that person. I will alienate those friends through that person’s manic-paranoid fantasies and fears, and in this process, all others that stand in the way of my objective, which is, remember, having that person just to myself.

Now, in this example, the perpetrator is quite Mad. Some would even call him evil. But he may be doing it out of simple Love. And he is being very patient, and methodical, about how he gets what he wants. He will just “goad, prod and herd”, and let things run its course inside a furnace of delusional paranoia running loose.

So much so, in fact, that well played, this example will have its story finish in a single, exact outcome - that person, the object of this Mad and Methodical Love, will end alone, miserable and more manic-paranoid than ever.

But that person will then be free to - and even, surely, in total need of - falling into a compassionate and understanding embrace.

Of the only one who is left. For there can be only One.

Now, to me, this is much more simple, credible and possible, than very elaborate or (ahem) esoteric, metaphysical explanations.

But hey, sure, what do I know.

Oh, and by the way ?
Just in case my figurative example left some of you with bleeding or aching hearts towards the object of such a Mad and Methodical love, let me spice it a bit :

- The person object of these diligent attentions, let us not forget, is not only an unrepentant and unrelenting manic-paranoid. That person is also no Fool.
So, truth be said (all of it), the Puppeteer is really nothing more than the Puppet, for what he is doing is the exact wish of the person subjected to those attentions, carefully and very unfoolishly-like laid out for the Puppet to think he is the Master, while, in fact, just doing the dirty work “on behalf” (ahem) of that person keeping its hands clean.

I simply hate linear stories. Very unlike the Human mind. Which is twisted and, sometimes, just plain sick.

Love is powerful. And, yes, you guessed it, sometimes also very Sick.

Which brings me to the Grand Finale of this crazy attempt at sanity :

Mikado wrote :
“ ….Perhaps that is why some are leaving the Token. They have become weary of the repetitive Mikado and Kim bashing ….”

You don’t need to know much about it.
History, I mean.

Just a bit.
Enough to have learned one of its main Lessons - That History repeats itself.

Then again, I’m no Marxist.
I do not believe in this inevitability.

Am just heedful of its possibility.



We all should, if I may.

[LuisP]

And Wags ?

Just quit it.

[kevin]

LuisP,
Spot on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gRgLlT3WPk
Kevin

[wags]

Luis,

Could you please refrain from responding to any of my posts in future, and I have now switched your posts off and will be unable to read any.

[re-rose]

Also – and quite contrary to Roses’ opinion (sorry, but to me you’re seeing it way upside down, which, from a certain preconceived point, makes sense, I have to admit) - this three pronged “method” …. was not subsequent to anyone’s departure, but had - in very real terms - existed since before. And for very long.

Actually, that is not at all contrary to my opinion. It's just that I have been poo-pooed for expressing it.

And yes, a fourth condition/motive/creator is entirely possible.

rose