Observations--discussing the Elephant in the Room

[kevin]

DavidG,

Without a comprehension of what universe is, it's operating criteria..... how can anyone possibly begin to hope to operate in universe safely?
The only way forward is the simple way.
K.I.S.S.
As We exist in universe, it is within ourselves to recognise it.
Kevin

[DavidG]

DavidG,

Without a comprehension of what universe is, it's operating criteria..... how can anyone possibly begin to hope to operate in universe safely?
The only way forward is the simple way.
K.I.S.S.
As We exist in universe, it is within ourselves to recognise it.
Kevin

Sort of a simple self awareness, or inherent ability to know like the cell in a human body, when it dies it affects everything it is a part of..except we are the cell, not the host.

Makes me feel small, and huge at once.

So we have ascertained the universe is a singular entity, which transmits it's secrets to specific locations, and through concerted effort, such as dowsing, one is privy to how the assemblage and structure is composed.

I like that approach, dont you?

[kevin]

Wags,
I don't have to "respect " anothers belief at all.
That is one of the problems, the bowing down to others control.

The individuals EGO is akin to a castle wall, and those within such fight to protect that castle.

We need to turn those walls to dust, and face whatever universe actually is, those who cannot withstand been outside of such confines of an invented belief will struggle in such, be it religion or the new religion called science.
I have faced universe, and did not panic , I was awe struck in it's magnificence, but it sure ain't easy to verbalise such.
The easy way out would be to call it some all powerfull entity, but it sure wasn't such.

Kevin

[DavidG]

Now at what level does this entity border, and what it is immersed in, begin, or is there even a border at all, and does infinite expansion (faster than thought) build the border more distant with each breath?

Or are there eventually no borders at some scalar fractal plane?

[wags]

Wags,
I don't have to "respect " anothers belief at all.
That is one of the problems, the bowing down to others control.

The individuals EGO is akin to a castle wall, and those within such fight to protect that castle.

We need to turn those walls to dust, and face whatever universe actually is, those who cannot withstand been outside of such confines of an invented belief will struggle in such, be it religion or the new religion called science.
I have faced universe, and did not panic , I was awe struck in it's magnificence, but it sure ain't easy to verbalise such.
The easy way out would be to call it some all powerfull entity, but it sure wasn't such.

Kevin

I had noticed Kevin.

[Mikado14]

kevin,

You are absolutely correct, you don't have to respect anyone's beliefs.

To respect another's belief is merely to empower their belief structure when they are wrong, is that correct? Afterall, to have respect for another in their beliefs only prolongs the time until they see our truth.

Mikado

[Nancy_Hutchison]

Fascinating discussion.

There is a story about the tower of Babel. All of mankind working in one accord (chord?).
Building a "tower to the heavens". Pissed off the God/Overlord. Mankind was "scattered".

IMO we did not have verbal language at that time. Communication was completely psychic.
Maybe the God/Overlord created the "Veil" to disrupt our psychic communications, to "scatter" us.

There is a website that I found over a decade ago. Numerous times I have spoken on the phone and emailed the owner (builder) of the website. Was involved in heated forum discussions with the owner and other "members" over the years. This website has 10s of thousands of pages posted. Gets to the bottom of all the main religions...including historical documents that were used to "create" the religion.
the website: http://www.reluctant-messenger.com

The Jesus dude said some interesting things.
Such as trash what other people have written--if you want to understand the Creator, then study the creation.
and....Beware of those who would call me God, I am but the son of man.
He absolutely hated organized religion.

The Jesus dude was a "Master Essene", Rabbi (teacher), Inner Circle.
Essene Inner Circle documents/teachings are intriguing.
Like talking to Kevin.
And as I read these Inner Circle teachings, I realized I had been "naturally" doing these things since I was a small child.

So this Jesus dude, "son of man" figured out some cool crap.
He tried to teach others the path, the way to THINK so that they could also learn.

The shedding of blood, blood sacrifices....he abhorred the very concept, and IMO is quite upset that a religion was created based upon "the blood of Jesus washes away your sins."
deep breath pause
There is something pivotal about blood being spilled upon the Earth.
The Gods/Overlords needing to drink hu-man blood.

The Jesus dude was also "offensive". Called people nasty names, especially those who were using religion to control the minds of men.
I think he would have great fun in this discussion, looking at the Elephant in the Room.

Nancy

[Mikado14]

I find "dude" offensive.

When I grew up, dude was an offensive term to mean someone out of place and was used to demean someone. Sort of like my grandmother using the word gay to mean happy and now it is something different.

I find "gay" offensive when used in the "new" meaning as well.

But what the hell do I know after all, I must be wrong because I want to shoot the elephant and eat it. Nothing like a good roast of Mastodon or Elephant smothered with onions and potatoes in a nice thick gravy.

Mikado

[DavidG]

This Jesus feller, definitely king of hidden meanings and veiled reference. Like a code of sorts, he would cast his pearls.....some sounded horrific...

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Whoever comes to me and does not hate his father and his mother and his brothers and his sisters and his wife and his children and even himself, he cannot be my disciple.”

Whoa, such imagery of hate there.....

But what does he mean to the universe we are discussing here?

Jesus is a crucified "savior" meant to imbue the importance of astrotheology now, then, and always.

There were dozens of Jesuses through history, and probably before....so what can we point to as a singular piece if evidence he was actually important to the universe any more than we are?

An anthropomorphic substitute for an imaginary entity at best, but one who was aware of his command of the minds of men at his time.

Kind of like Manly Hall or any St Germain character I'd suppose.

For me, after my research, I'd hang with James, well before I ever headed to the pub with Jesus.

[DavidG]

I find "dude" offensive.

When I grew up, dude was an offensive term to mean someone out of place and was used to demean someone. Sort of like my grandmother using the word gay to mean happy and now it is something different.

I find "gay" offensive when used in the "new" meaning as well.

But what the hell do I know after all, I must be wrong because I want to shoot the elephant and eat it. Nothing like a good roast of Mastodon or Elephant smothered with onions and potatoes in a nice thick gravy.

Mikado

Sounds like Ganesh supreme, back on the Paleo diet these days?

Gravy.......mmmm....