Observations--discussing the Elephant in the Room

[LuisP]

LuisP,
Sometimes Your words are way above My pay grade as such.
I didn't spend too much time in school, fishing was My game, off alone.
Didn't utter a word until I was five, My mother took Me to specialists who said I may never speak.
I sure was happy though.
Words confuse Me, often I don't have a clue what someone is meaning.

So forgive Me if at times I don't respond as expected, as I simply don't have the depth of words or their meanings as You so clearly do, basically I am a loner, not a pack type, not been able to read taught Me to observe instead, I could puzzle out books if they had plenty of pictures

Dowsing is this observation, coupled with the ability to switch focus rapidly, and I have brilliant hand to eye coordination.
There is something very attractive about Yourself that I really like, even if I hardly can understand what You are on about quite often.
Good to know You in this strange computer way.
Kevin

Hobbit
It is very difficult to address what you wrote.
Thank you.


Can I at least say that the beauty of your Sould and the clarity of your Mind speak for themselves, far better than any simple words could, or make sense ? If forgivness is at stake, it should be me asking for it.

Not you ... and much less from me.

Thanks for the privilege of your Voice, Observations and Answers.



Yes, these strange computer ways are very welcome.
They have allowed me to meet You, and Others.

And by that, and through You All, having become a better man than I was.

Only hope my Walk will keep on being this Rewarding.
And Compassionate.

[Nancy_Hutchison]

Nancy,

I refer you to my previous answer, I cannot answer for others, I was not part of a bullying conspiracy, I asked assertive rational questions, your answers were not that rational at times. I appreciate you don't go in for that kind of thing, but I am an evidence based man and I saw no convincing evidence. Probably not

what I said,

"From what I have read concerning your situation, it has something to do with "bullying".
And I have pointed out that what you, Linda and Steve Clarke were doing at the Cosmic Token, was bullying.
You did not see what you were doing as bullying.

I point this out, because IMO people do not comprehend their words and actions as what other people perceive."[u]

You proved my point. You do not perceive what you were doing was bullying.
And I assume that Steve Clarke and Linda Brown also do not perceive what they were doing was bullying.

I would not "give you what you demanded"....what you perceive as evidence.
My perception of evidence is different from your perception.
Because I would not give you what you demanded, you took action against me.
To the point of contacting my neighbor, contacting the county and trying to make my life hell.

Group of kids in a play yard.
One child has a candy bar. Another child demands the candy bar be given to him/her.
Child with candy bar says no (and offers to find a way the child demanding the candy bar can get his/her own).
Child demanding the candy bar starts a fight.
Child demanding the candy bar is hungry. Has not eaten in days. Needs the candy bar.
Is the child demanding the candy bar a bully?

wags....you have an insatiable appetite for evidence to be produced when demanded by you.
Evidence that you deem to be valid.
And if you do not get it, as what happened with me, you venomously lash out.

I suggest you look within yourself and find out WHY.

Nancy

[Nancy_Hutchison]

DavidG,

Without a comprehension of what universe is, it's operating criteria..... how can anyone possibly begin to hope to operate in universe safely?
The only way forward is the simple way.
K.I.S.S.
As We exist in universe, it is within ourselves to recognise it.
Kevin

Kevin,

I agree that as we exist in universe, it is within ourselves to recognize it.

before moving forward
I would hope that we take long looks at the Elephant
and WHAT we perceive is "universe".

hahahahah
I just realized
uni-verse
Verse is defined as many things
including part of a SONG..a stanza..in music, groups of lines are typically referred to as verses.
"writing arranged with a metrical rhythm, typically having a rhyme"

(hey..maybe this will be a break through in communication with wags)

uni
means "one"

okay..who came up with the word "universe" ?
someone leaving clues, breadcrumbs again ?

Nancy

[Mikado14]

I for one do not believe that wags was bullying from what I saw in my short tenure at the Token.

I saw Linda being a bully. Fruitbat was insecure in part. Wags asked for proof of claims made by individuals which is not the analogy fitting of the candy bar.

Asking for proof of statements is not bullying.

When a person makes a statement that comprises a few sentences and then it takes an individual paragraphs to rebut, that is a form of bullying.

In my opinion, my empirical opinion, based upon looking around the elephant.

Mikado

[Nancy_Hutchison]

I for one do not believe that wags was bullying from what I saw in my short tenure at the Token.

I saw Linda being a bully. Fruitbat was insecure in part. Wags asked for proof of claims made by individuals which is not the analogy fitting of the candy bar.

Asking for proof of statements is not bullying.

When a person makes a statement that comprises a few sentences and then it takes an individual paragraphs to rebut, that is a form of bullying.

In my opinion, my empirical opinion, based upon looking around the elephant.

Mikado

Apparently you did not read the tome at the Cosmic-Token, aka as the Hutchison Consortium
because you missed Steve Clarke calling me names, in big bold red letters, and wags contacting my neighbor and the county that I live in.
Those actions are not simply "asking for proof of claims".

[Mikado14]

I for one do not believe that wags was bullying from what I saw in my short tenure at the Token.

I saw Linda being a bully. Fruitbat was insecure in part. Wags asked for proof of claims made by individuals which is not the analogy fitting of the candy bar.

Asking for proof of statements is not bullying.

When a person makes a statement that comprises a few sentences and then it takes an individual paragraphs to rebut, that is a form of bullying.

In my opinion, my empirical opinion, based upon looking around the elephant.

Mikado

Apparently you did not read the tome at the Cosmic-Token, aka as the Hutchison Consortium
because you missed Steve Clarke calling me names, in big bold red letters, and wags contacting my neighbor and the county that I live in.
Those actions are not simply "asking for proof of claims".

Apparently you did not read my post above.

There were over 600 pages.

If wags contacted your neighbor then perhaps he was doing due-diligence.

To reiterate, during my short tenure at the Token, I saw wags asking for proof of your claims. You danced around a good deal and told him to read this or read that. He asked for a white paper and on and on and you came back and on and on....do I really need to go into it?

If requesting proof is bullying then your damn right...he was bullying!

Wags, your a freakin' bully for doing that.

Mikado

[kevin]

Not sure where the actual word universe origonates, but ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology
Vishnu and Shiva feel a lot akin to the two flows I follow about, their fractional in balance been central to creation via transmutation into being.
I still sense the solid base of universe as a platform, thus the trinity.
Kevin

[Nancy_Hutchison]

I for one do not believe that wags was bullying from what I saw in my short tenure at the Token.

I saw Linda being a bully. Fruitbat was insecure in part. Wags asked for proof of claims made by individuals which is not the analogy fitting of the candy bar.

Asking for proof of statements is not bullying.

When a person makes a statement that comprises a few sentences and then it takes an individual paragraphs to rebut, that is a form of bullying.

In my opinion, my empirical opinion, based upon looking around the elephant.

Mikado

Apparently you did not read the tome at the Cosmic-Token, aka as the Hutchison Consortium
because you missed Steve Clarke calling me names, in big bold red letters, and wags contacting my neighbor and the county that I live in.
Those actions are not simply "asking for proof of claims".

Apparently you did not read my post above.

There were over 600 pages.

If wags contacted your neighbor then perhaps he was doing due-diligence.

To reiterate, during my short tenure at the Token, I saw wags asking for proof of your claims. You danced around a good deal and told him to read this or read that. He asked for a white paper and on and on and you came back and on and on....do I really need to go into it?

If requesting proof is bullying then your damn right...he was bullying!

Wags, your a freakin' bully for doing that.

Mikado

wags was repeatedly given links to PROOF
he want ME to write a "white paper" and have it peer reviewed

wags contacting my neighbor had absolute nothing to do with "due diligence".
WTF? you think my neighbor wrote a white paper?
you think telling the county that what we are doing is dangerous was "due diligence"?
and what proof did wags have that what we are doing is dangerous, before he spread rumors at with the county officials?

how and why does a person who does not live in the United States personally involve himself in local affairs and code enforcement?

wags did not "request proof"
he demanded that I write and have peer reviewed a "white paper"
when I refused and LuisP linked to the site numerous independent reports by civilian and government accredited scientists
he refused to read even one

instead, he got my neighbor, purportedly a former captain in the navy, to "peer review" the Colbern report.
LOL..."due diligence"

the man..the dog...wags
had a bone to pick
he wanted the work that John and I do discredited.

never once did he read and respond to the plethora of documents and proofs which were provided

ahhh...Mikado...did you ever read any of the documents concerning the work of John Hutchison that LuisP linked at Linda's forum?
as I remember, Linda wanted "your opinion" of John's work
Did you perform "due diligence" and read all the info that LuisP had provided?

there is an ELEPHANT in the room

I suggest that we learn how to communicate more effectively.

my original post that opened this thread....one more time
"When I was on the Comic Token forum discussing what IMO where important observations with Kevin,
the thread was continually derailed. So I asked for a private chat room here (for Kevin and I to discuss things).

I believe the observations that Kevin and I have made are important for others to consider.
We can see all around us the "resultant". Cause and effect. Action and reaction.
But what is the core, what is that which brings this physical realm into existence?
What is the us, mankind in this realm?

I prefer this to be a different sort of discussion. Built upon images, not words. Repeating patterns. Patterns that give us clues.
However, I will begin with words to try to build a picture.
If you are going to respond, please do so with your own observations, not something someone else said.
Pictures, images are very helpful. Words that describe your observations are okay, but can be unclear.

and so we begin......"

I made the comment about my observation of how Wags actions appeared to me as bullying me.
I also made the comment that IMO, the "bully" never believes that he is a bully.

This speaks VOLUMES to how we come together and exchange our thoughts and observations.

I can say the Universe is a DANCE
and people who cannot do a two-step on the dance floor will "take offense".

I can say, "Jesus dude" and for some reason that I cannot fathom, an atheist "takes offense".

Anyone here want to continue? To try to actually learn from each other?

Nancy

[Nancy_Hutchison]

Not sure where the actual word universe origonates, but ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology
Vishnu and Shiva feel a lot akin to the two flows I follow about, their fractional in balance been central to creation via transmutation into being.
I still sense the solid base of universe as a platform, thus the trinity.
Kevin

yes....someone else writing what I "see"...

What am I, a small creature measuring seven spans of my own hand? I am enclosed in a potlike universe composed of material nature, the total material energy, false ego, ether, air, water and earth. And what is Your glory? Unlimited universes pass through the pores of Your body just as particles of dust pass through the openings of a screened window (Bhagavata Purana 10.14.11)

Because You are unlimited, neither the lords of heaven nor even You Yourself can ever reach the end of Your glories. The countless universes, each enveloped in its shell, are compelled by the wheel of time to wander within You, like particles of dust blowing about in the sky. The śrutis, following their method of eliminating everything separate from the Supreme, become successful by revealing You as their final conclusion (Bhagavata Purana 10.87.41)

[wags]

Nancy,

The proof you provided was not proof in the conventional sense. It is adequate for some but not in my case. Forcing me to accept your word or the proofs given is a form of bulling inadvertent maybe.

I did not demand it I requested the data. In the absence of data from yourself I searched elsewhere and found a neighbour who was in dispute. I published all the available public records and it is up to each person to draw their own conclusions. As I have stated on many occasions the due diligence for me includes the character of the person especially if there is no available data sets. In the absence of a science paper that is the best I could do. I am not going to just 'accept' your word, I am a sceptic remember.

The unwelcome PM you sent me could be construed as bullying, in the way it was written and attempted to force me to keep a secret that was unacceptable to accept.