Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

[LuisP]

"Grenades" ? WTF does that mean ?

Cut the BS, please, even if here and not on its proper Thread.

This is a question of a FaceDown.

Let it all out !

Both FB and Hobbit are intelligent, savvy and longtime posters on several forums, used to deal with unplesantness and even ill motivated people.

I see nothing of that sort here.

This is "originated", was "predetermined", and has to be dealt with.

Hope that in the end they understand each other, and recognize having been doing the Puppeteer's work. Not their Own !


But who am I to interfere.
Just hoping for their "intelligence not to be silenced by emotion".

Up to them, to understand that.

Or not.

Nobody else's.

[wags]

"Grenades" ? WTF does that mean ?

Cut the BS, please, even if here and not on its proper Thread.

This is a question of a FaceDown.

Let it all out !

Both FB and Bobbit are intelligent, savvy and longtime posters on several forums, used to deal with unplesantness and even ill motivated people.

I see nothing of that sort here.

This is "originated", was "predetermined", and has to be dealt with.

Hope that in the end they understand each other, and recognize having been doing the Puppeteer's work. Not their Own !


But who am I to interfere.
Just hoping for their "intelligence not to be silenced by emotion".

Up to them, to understand that.

Or not.

Nobody else's.

It is a view I grant you, but I am not minded to agree, but of course that you know.

"Let You and Him Fight" - is what you are advocating, (That is definitely not a good game at all)

And although it may be a sort of folly, maybe a bit more of my sort of folly is really required.

[LuisP]

Wags
I am not into "gladiatoral" shows.

I do not advocate a fight's finish for the sight of it. Yes, "Let Him and You Fight" for that is their unshadowed wish. Even if a "programmed one", from my Parallax side of seeing it.

Again, this is not kindergarten. These are two very able, special and intelligent Men, each in their own way.

Let them reveal their "souls" by it, and come - or not ! - to the conclusion that what joins them IS FAR LARGER and BETTER than what has separated them.

That is my truest hope.

Up to them, and their ability to get rid of the "fog that shadows reason" .

[LuisP]

The greatest victory is the one achieved without ever having done battle.

This is not a cliché from Sun Tzu, but a great Truth.

So,
Maybe they will just recognize the futility of all this, and move on.


Having each vanquished not the Other, but the Self.




But I'm interfering ....

[wags]

The greatest victory is the one achieved without ever having done battle.

This is not a cliché from Sun Tzu, but a great Truth.

So,
Maybe they will just recognize the futility of all this, and move on.


Having each vanquished not the Other, but the Self.


But I'm interfering ....

Very interesting and useful I thought. But I am only the dog.

[LuisP]

Glad you think so Wags, because that is the outcome I, as a bystander who respects both, would like to see them realize (hope you understand I’m speaking exactly what I think).


Since I’ve interfered, despite my intuitive disposition to not do so, let me then say the rest of my mind.

To “achieve victory”, be it small or the greatest possible, one has - first - to be willing to fight.

No way around this premise.

To abate, to deny that possibility and its disposition is therefore – to my way of thinking – nothing more than a condemnation to eternal defeat, forever perpetuated through a low intensity warfare or, even worse, as an incentive for one to resort to other less conventional methods of exacting satisfaction.

That is why one has to finish fights, and by so to realize he is about to really fight, and not just keeping up with mere foreplay provocations.

For when down to it, to that particular moment, one will (perhaps for the first time ?) now have his eyes level with the Other and make the Questions not before asked - How did I get here ? Is this what I want ? is it worthwhile ? What am I proving ? and to whom ?

Sometimes – such as, I wish, in this case – there won’t even be a fight at all. Because the simple fact that a fight in progress was openly recognized by everyone is enough to dispel the also simple fact that till then it was not admitted as existing by anyone.

And through that very simple, public recognition, “that particular moment” can be reached with the necessary eye leveling by those in dispute, not as some kind of Homeric manifestation but as the spark that ignites the interior questioning.

Made by one’s own will.
Not because someone said so.

I hope you, FB and Hobbit, may feel the same.

[wags]

Keep those thoughts flowing Luis,...

[Fruitbat]

Luis, either we have a rule about not posting people's personal information in place on this site or we don't.

Where the personal information came from (or in this case even who's personal information it actually is!) is irrelevant.
The rule exists, and I am pointing it out.

I'll admit I am probing actually to see how much of a "moral badlands" this site is, whether in a part entitled "The Cosmic Hypocrite" it actually does respect it's own rulings or if we have the oh so common "one rule for you, and one for me" discipline.

There is an element of humour creeping back in, I will admit...

To be fair after reading your posts elsewhere on this site, you really ought not be wasting your time on mine and hobbits silly spat, 'cos elsewhere you are proving proper input to this site.

FB!

[Mikado14]

This is a difficult post for me to make. Here is what I posted at the link below:

1. Posting personal information about someone on the forum.
If anyone wants personal information out there, they can do so. And banning would be last. There would be at least one or two notices and the posts would be deleted. The only such time I would delete with the exception of #3.

viewtopic.php?p=32674#p32674

Does what kevin posted amount to personal information? Yes, it does.


However, the circumstances need to be looked at. The personal information involved someone's CV (curriculum vitae) from LinkedIn, a public source. It is someone whose name is Steve Clarke. Here is what kevin said:

Here's a steve clarke that knows about flying machines.
linkedin as well,
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/steve-clarke/78/125/840
Kevin

viewtopic.php?p=32810#p32810

It's pretty general in that it states that "here' (i)s a steve clarke". He does not say that it is fruitbat. Can one assume that it is? I suppose so but I don't believe it is but I could be wrong.

How did kevin know to even Google the name? It is the title of this thread. Who started the thread? Fruitbat did. One can assume that fruitbat is Steve Clarke or it is just a name. Looking at the explanation in number 1....

If anyone wants personal information out there, they can do so. And banning would be last. There would be at least one or two notices and the posts would be deleted. The only such time I would delete with the exception of #3.

Since fruitbat started the thread with the name in it, how is it wrong if someone wishes to Google the name and then put the results with a link to it?

To claim some form of moral dilemma out of this and gauging the morality of this site in comparison to the Token is in and of itself hypocritical. If one wanted to look at the Token and examine posts made in August to October of 2011, you would find a great deal of personal information about not just myself but my ex-wife and my parents. I never put my name out there, someone else did. In this instance, the person complaining is the one who not only posted the name but started a thread with the name.

If you wish the post to be deleted, I will but I will also have to delete the entire thread since the title contains a personal name for afterall, I will not leave it for this to happen again but I can't help but to see this as similar to having murdered your parents and then beg the court for mercy since you are an orphan. The name was put out there by the person requesting a banning.

As I have said, I will not ban since the name was taken from the title of the thread, even a guest could google it and what control is there at that point, none.

Therefore, I will delete the entire thread, all you have to do is request it.

Is there personal information posted on this site? Yes. The heading under the name Quonset Hut says:

Discussions of Townsend Brown and other Obscure Scientists, their work, lives and everything else in the Universe.

I would point out the discussion here can be about Brown and other obscure Scientists, their work, lives (which may or may not contain personal information)...etc.

When we talk about ourselves, our work, what we like to eat and cook, that is all personal information and the act of doing so opens it for discussion, if we don't want it out there...don't post it. However, if something is in confidence and the other person decides to make it public...that is what rule number 1 is about. Personal information is the prerogative of the person and no one else. If we post it, it is no longer personal.

And I would like to point out something to fruitbat. You mentioned that you saw pictures of the first Gravitor. You never received them from me but someone who had my personal information, gave it to you. Is the person that gave that to you from a moral badland?

Again, if anyone feels this thread is personal, it will be deleted, PM me and it will be done, no questions asked, otherwise, it will stay and kevin and fruitbat may have at it to their hearts content for it would appear that it is needed for the both of them. As Luis pointed out, it is up to them to look the devil in the eye and decide what is being accomplished, in any event, try not to draw blood (Pennsylvania humour).

Mikado

[kevin]

Mikado,
Fabulous post,
And there are those who questioned why I have always admired You greatly ( even if You are an ugly green giant)
There are hundreds of Kevin Benningtons.
As our departed friend trickfox so well pointed out, there is NO privacy at all.
Every single button pushed will be been tracked.

And there's fruitbat talking of helicopters, and theres a steve clarke who's proffession is such, you'd think it would be benificial to both to sort of lockup together???
I have friends on W.......... airfield, if I really was interested in revealing fruitbat ........

Kevin