Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

[kevin]

From the Token Re: Andrews Story

Postby fruitbat » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:10 pm

I am the original unbiased, uninvested observer, if you stop to think about it!

I would respectfully disagree with that it is quite self evident that there is a bias, just like everyone else, you have not exercised an open mind and put these to one side... If you really stop and think that through.

I am just some geezer in England sitting behind a computer making up my mind on the basis of what I see.
I've taken three years to decide the rights and wrongs of the situation, and of course, there are plenty of both floating about.

I can see that dishonesty has played an enormous part in getting us to where we are now, and as a counter point to that I have done my best to be strictly honest in my dealings with both sides in the dispute so yes, if you are a reasonable bloke you should indeed have no axe to grind with me.
I would like to courteously disagree however that there "have been no victims here".
I've corresponded with Paul Schatzkin, and frankly whilst he seems to be trying to hide it, he clearly has been traumatised by his experience of writing that book.

Therein the trauma lies the truth and of course he would want to hide that it is called self protection and feeing as far as he could from the causation of said trauma. If you concede there has been then his actions become perfectly rational and sane. His perspective is that Linda has caused this and is and continues to deny her conduct weather justifiable or not is the causation. Bullying Paul further is quite frankly mentally cruel, if as you concede he has been traumatised. In no way could nor should he be expected to write or consider that project any further, it would only happen again.

Now I read what a maelstrom of bullshit he had to wade through at one point, his attitude makes a bit more sense. Thank you for providing the information needed to understand that particular mystery, and thank you very much Linda, for bringing it to my attention.

The mystery that remains for me, is why are so many people dedicating their valuable time and energy to actively bad mouthing and opposing Linda Brown? Surely if she was the fantasist that so many of you contend, the normal human approach of simply turning away and interacting with someone else would be sufficient sanction to deal with the percieved social offence? Surely if one was simply engaged in doing that (as is occasionally claimed) then a more rational approach would have been to let her have the hut (possibly for a fair consideration) and walk away and do something more constructive than the three years of ineffective flailing away that we have witnessed so far?

They have tried to and she refuses to agree, I left at that point as that solution was not acceptable to Linda Brown.

At the end of the day, all I have witnessed is unchivalrous, unseemly, and provocative behaviour directed towards someone who could be described by a young person as a "little old lady" and frankly, I find it a bit repugnant and yes, cowardly. But that's just my interpretation, I don't expect it to have value to many people, but having to read it is the price you pay for asking me to think in an unbiased manner, although of course we are all biased by our previous life experiences and knowledge.

Has Linda Brown considered anybody but herself in all this? The reaction to her is perfectly reasonable if you appreciate her total absence of consideration or respect for others that 'do not believe' in her. You judgement is not required as a definitive answer as you are an admin on the token and moderate the Resolute; ergo You have an investment in Linda Brown's integrity and are not neutral. If you sit down and think about it of course!

Wags

Have had a couple of days away from all of this, and return to read such a pile of shite by fruitbat, does He actually believe what He has written???
It's total shite, especially about HIS devious involvements in all of this.

I don't ever visit that forum at all, mostly so that I am subjected to have to read what this bizzare buffoon writes, please do Me a favour wags in not posting his words again, just provide a link which I don't then have to click on.
If not I will probably not bother returning here also.
Kevin the chump chimp

[FM No Static At All]

It's plain to see from the view I have now, how much energy was placed into creating a story, that in the end did more to hurt than help the original goal.

Having read Paul's book 'Philo T. Farnsworth: The Boy Who Invented Television' I know how much research was done to bring such and 'obscure' inventor/scientist into public view. I trust that he would have done T. Townsend Brown the same justice. There are a few others out there who would suit such an endeavor if Paul was so inclined. Harold Aspden and Dayton Miller come to mind.

It seems to me that there is some physical science that is buried beneath years of cover-ups and outright fantasies about Dr. Brown. It may have been that he was his own worst enemy and today his worst enemy is the daughter who loves her Daddy. We all have had to deal with truth that hurts. Sometimes the people we love the most have secrets that shame us when we look at them. For the sake of sanity and moving on with our lives we face them for what they are and love them just the same. We cannot change what is, only how we choose to see and feel about it.

I trust that the work and due diligence of the few, who are seeking the knowledge of electrogravity will in turn prove or disprove the theories and works of others, who have been left in obscurity for far too long.

How many years have Edison and Marconi been credited and hailed for the work of Nikola Tesla?

[kevin]

It's plain to see from the view I have now, how much energy was placed into creating a story, that in the end did more to hurt than help the original goal.

Having read Paul's book 'Philo T. Farnsworth: The Boy Who Invented Television' I know how much research was done to bring such and 'obscure' inventor/scientist into public view. I trust that he would have done T. Townsend Brown the same justice. There are a few others out there who would suit such an endeavor if Paul was so inclined. Harold Aspden and Dayton Miller come to mind.

It seems to me that there is some physical science that is buried beneath years of cover-ups and outright fantasies about Dr. Brown. It may have been that he was his own worst enemy and today his worst enemy is the daughter who loves her Daddy. We all have had to deal with truth that hurts. Sometimes the people we love the most have secrets that shame us when we look at them. For the sake of sanity and moving on with our lives we face them for what they are and love them just the same. We cannot change what is, only how we choose to see and feel about it.

I trust that the work and due diligence of the few, who are seeking the knowledge of electrogravity will in turn prove or disprove the theories and works of others, who have been left in obscurity for far too long.

How many years have Edison and Marconi been credited and hailed for the work of Nikola Tesla?

So!...just where are We all now?????
Kevin

[Chris Knight]

Kevin,

How about a clean slate without all of the extraneous trash that has built up over the years ?

Just getting back to the research and the endless possibilities there.

That's why I got into it in the first place.

Andy

[kevin]

Kevin,

How about a clean slate without all of the extraneous trash that has built up over the years ?

Just getting back to the research and the endless possibilities there.

That's why I got into it in the first place.

Andy

Spot on, but I sense a lack of direction.
It needs a focus, a goal to shoot at.

Everything has been TTB focussed in the past forums.
I personally feel deflated and as if someone has punched Me to the ground.

Hmmmm, why do We fall?, what enables us to stand tall, why don't We stay upright?
Kevin

[Chris Knight]

Kevin,

Yes, I know that feeling. It takes time to pass.

Just keep your eyes and ears open and never miss elevenses.

Andy

[kevin]

Kevin,

Yes, I know that feeling. It takes time to pass.

Just keep your eyes and ears open and never miss elevenses.

Andy

30 minutes after writing My above post and asking about "falling", Suzis father fell, and as a 94 year old soldier he typically said when asked what happened that He was just examining the underside of the old French chair He was underneath now.

I have My own crackpot ideas as to why He fell, as His field is very diminished, but every single one of what is called cells/atoms etc is attracted towards the dominant field heart centre of this planet, thus His field is unable to overcome locally the planets.
It's quite stupidly simple, but it appears that it takes a lot to overcome the planets indoctrinated thinkings .
Kevin

[Mikado14]

kevin....is he okay?

[kevin]

kevin....is he okay?

Yes, sorry should have said...tough as old boots.
It was so odd though Him FALLING so???

It took both of us to get Him upright, amazing how HEAVY people are?

Kevin

[wags]

Postby fruitbat » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:30 am (On the token)

I was in a car being driven far too fast, maniacally even, by a friend of a friend and we were talking about how one can perform evil acts but believe the lie that one is acting from good motives. The word he taught me back then was "mendacity". Seeing and understanding my own mendacity in that moment was just as scary as the driving, and had a far more profound effect on my life...

Ever since then I have been "campaigning for a real reality" both inside and outside of myself.

FB

That is not quite my understanding of mendacity, as it does not account properly for intent. There is conscious deliberate motive to injure, (mental, physical or emotional). One can unwittingly act badly but that is not mendacious, and from my point of view lack of any remorse is a crucial determining factor in determining mendacity.

Respect is earned not a right and can be destroyed in seconds. If dignity however is not shown then you should not expect any further consideration of your thoughts.

If you assault someone with say for example CS Gas and then blame everyone including medication and not showing any remorse expect nothing less than a complete breakdown of ones integrity and lose any moral support for any perceived injury.

Who is being mendacious the one that uses the CS Gas or the one that as a consequence refuses to accept such a reason and rejects. Both could be seen as evil acts, as they both withdraw respect. But only one is actually mendacious , even though both may be distressed and have grievances from each other's perspective.

I leave you to work out which it is.