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Re: is it just me?

Postby wags » Thu May 29, 2014 8:10 am

LuisP wrote:Rose
By enumerated order, my two cents :

1. Games, created for the purpose of furthering academic game theory development, or network and social relationship analysis
- Possible, but very unlikely. Too small a group to really gather meaningful, or “extrapolable”, valid overall conclusions.
2. Counterintelligence misinformation/disinformation dissemination
- Possible, but very unlikely. Too insignificant a Group to merit that kind of attention and diligence.
3. Linguistic Bot testing
- Impossible. Overwhelming majority of participants is identifiable and/or known to each other. Matter of fact, I’m the only one that could qualify as a possible “bot”. And I'm not.
4. Physical Mind Control or mental and psychological manipulation.
- Possible, but unlikely. See my point (2) argument. I do not deem this numeral “very unlikely”, and just “unlikely”, because it stands to question the fact that some very diligent third party, familiar with some of those involved, could – by that reason alone – amuse him(her)self with trying a bag of tricks on such a “insignificant” target.
5. Love Gone Wild
- Possible, and very likely. On one hand, one of the parties involved has confessed a desire to “share paths” with existing one, which same party also did not shy from confessing has been made alone and without understanding, thereby opening ground for a will to change. On the other hand, there exists a participating, very active “third party”, providing further ground for probability of a “change” to materialize itself.
6. A superior manipulative over riding intelligence, that some call 'the Machine"
- Don’t know what you’re talking about. I’d suppose “over ridding, superior intelligences” not to engage in petty bickering, but I know nothing. Not enough “underlying data”, as Mr. Spock likes to think, to cast an opinion.
7. The Unknowable Cause behind the cause
- Possible, and very likely. Whoever thinks knows everything is but an Ignorant. Therefore, it goes without question that some “unknowable cause” may be the cause behind any and every situation.

As to “troubling similarities”, I’ll leave it at that for it surely is only me and my twisted mind at work.

Complicated enough, as it is.


Good points Luis need to add:-

8.0 Freelancer(s) / Cyber-stalking - An individual or small group is directly responsible.
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Re: is it just me?

Postby wags » Thu May 29, 2014 8:41 am

Tips on how to combat cyber stalking and bullying. I feel this link may be helpful.

http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm

This is a detailed resource, that outlines better point 8.0 that I have added.

PS I have just read FB's ramblings elsewhere and I for one thought it well considered and helpful.
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Re: is it just me?

Postby kevin » Thu May 29, 2014 12:36 pm

wags wrote:Tips on how to combat cyber stalking and bullying. I feel this link may be helpful.

http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm

This is a detailed resource, that outlines better point 8.0 that I have added.

PS I have just read FB's ramblings elsewhere and I for one thought it well considered and helpful.

Wags,
I would agree about Your PS, with a few thoughts.
Good and evil????
To declare anyone or anything evil ,means that the writer presumes themselves good.
I very much doubt that most of the lifeforms on this planet think of humans as good?
And as I sense this planet is a living entity, it too must be wondering about the humans enabling nuclear forces to be built and enabled willy nilly.
Humans murder countless lifeforms , and justify this with some gibberish notion that they are superior and this whole place was created for them, by some invented diety.
I am far more convinced that an agenda to disrupt the furtherance of TTB findings is behind all of this nonesense.
And the one My senses are most focussed upon is ????, well so many names( and how many forum identities can this tinkerbell carry off?
He is class.
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Re: is it just me?

Postby StarCat » Fri May 30, 2014 11:46 pm

I agree with Kevin that our planet is a living entity. Some days I feel like I'm waiting for it to just shake all of us off, much like my Cody used to shake the water of his very long, very thick coat. Maybe that's where the condition we've been taught to refer to as gravity comes into play.

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Re: is it just me?

Postby LuisP » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:17 pm

wags wrote:Tips on how to combat cyber stalking and bullying. I feel this link may be helpful.

http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm

This is a detailed resource, that outlines better point 8.0 that I have added.

PS I have just read FB's ramblings elsewhere and I for one thought it well considered and helpful.



From your link about cyber bullying, Wags :

Serial Bully Traits
Perhaps the most easily recognisable Serial Bully traits are:

Jekyll and Hyde nature - Dr Jekyll is "charming" and "charismatic"; "Hyde" is "evil";
Exploits the trust and needs of organisations and individuals, for personal gain;
Convincing liar - Makes up anything to fit their needs at that moment;
Damages the health and reputations of organisations and individuals;
Reacts to criticism with Denial, Retaliation, Feigned Victimhood;
Blames victims;
Apparently immune from disciplinary action
Moves to a new target when the present one burns out.



Do you think this forum suffers from any such, or is this just for educational purposes ?
Or had you elsewhere in mind ?
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Re: is it just me?

Postby wags » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:27 pm

LuisP wrote:
wags wrote:Tips on how to combat cyber stalking and bullying. I feel this link may be helpful.

http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm

This is a detailed resource, that outlines better point 8.0 that I have added.

PS I have just read FB's ramblings elsewhere and I for one thought it well considered and helpful.



From your link about cyber bullying, Wags :

Serial Bully Traits
Perhaps the most easily recognisable Serial Bully traits are:

Jekyll and Hyde nature - Dr Jekyll is "charming" and "charismatic"; "Hyde" is "evil";
Exploits the trust and needs of organisations and individuals, for personal gain;
Convincing liar - Makes up anything to fit their needs at that moment;
Damages the health and reputations of organisations and individuals;
Reacts to criticism with Denial, Retaliation, Feigned Victimhood;
Blames victims;
Apparently immune from disciplinary action
Moves to a new target when the present one burns out.



Do you think this forum suffers from any such, or is this just for educational purposes ?
Or had you elsewhere in mind ?


Seven possibilities were posted, and I added one possibility. That site is a link for educational purposes.
Let's not go beyond that, there are other types listed. I was thinking of the advice on how to deal with the types of behaviour and situations.
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Re: is it just me?

Postby StarCat » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:41 pm

The list of serial bully traits describes my mother quite accurately. Except I was the youngest child so she really. Had nowhere to move on to after me. I miss my dad every day. It was a relief when my mom finally gave up and died.


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Re: is it just me?

Postby LuisP » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:00 pm

It indeed can describe someone close.
We all have our black sheep.

Hopefully, we not only outlive but also outgrow them.

And are better.
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Re: is it just me?

Postby LuisP » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:05 pm

This very interesting link got my attention. Maybe also because, as Cat so candidly pointed out, it can also have other implications.

But given the fact that this “8.0” from Wags is centered on non motivation besides an individual one, and therefore – to me, that is – much more probable of happening and fitting any given poster, from this or any other forum, I take the liberty of posting the following excerpts from the link provided (the whole article is very interesting, though, and my excerpts do not reflect a summary of it) :

1 - People who bully are adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise pool negative information about them. The method of creating conflict is provocation which bullies delight in because they know they can always coerce at least one person to respond in a manner which can then be distorted and used to further flame and inflame people. And so it goes on. The bully then sits back and gains gratification from seeing others engage in destructive behavior towards each other.
2 - Many serial bullies are also serial attention-seekers. More than anything else they want attention. It doesn't matter what type of attention they get, positive or negative, as long as they can provoke someone into paying them attention.
3 - The objectives of bullies are Power, Control, Domination, Subjugation. They get a kick out of seeing you react. It doesn't matter how you react, the fact they've successful provoked a reaction is, to the bully, a sign that their attempt at control have been successful. After that, it's a question of wearing you down. The more you try to explain, negotiate, conciliate, etc the more gratification they obtain from your increasingly desperate attempts to communicate with them. Understand that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded.
4 - The Number One rule for dealing with this type of behavior is: don't respond, don't interact and don't engage. This is not as easy to do as it sounds. It's a natural response to want to defend yourself, and to put the person right. However, never argue with a serial bully … (they) often have disordered thinking patterns and do not share the same thoughts or values as you.

That’s it. Enlightening, on a general perspective, I’d say.

But I was under the impression that the objective of this thread was to question “Is it just me ?” regarding this very specific forum, and the people involved in it, both direct and indirectly. Not as a kind of “education” on how to deal with several general “types of behavior and situations”, important as that may be, and is indeed.

So, I'd like to ask a straight question to Wags :
- Is it reasonable to then presume, that you added this “8.0” possibility because you think someone in particular here, or elsewhere, fits this “cyberbully profile” and may justify authorship to the “madness and method” that Rose asked if it was just her that sensed ?
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Re: is it just me?

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:07 pm

LuisP wrote:<snip>
So, I'd like to ask a straight question to Wags :
- Is it reasonable to then presume, that you added this “8.0” possibility because you think someone in particular here, or elsewhere, fits this “cyberbully profile” and may justify authorship to the “madness and method” that Rose asked if it was just her that sensed ?


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HA! I would love to answer this but I won't!

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