Banned from Pegasus, the new ATS

[Nancy_Hutchison]

Dave,

John did glass blowing when he made his own vacuum tube.

I have been the "bridge" for years now, attempting to communicate John's technology to others.
The closer I get to understanding John and his processes, the worse I have become in using words.

I can say with 99.99% certainty that John is not going to change and suddenly become fluent in using words to communicate.
I will need to find a way to bring others "over" to how he thinks.
If you have any ideas on how to do this, please let me know.

Nancy

[DavidG]

From his videos from the past, Nancy, John seems to let the work and results do the talking..all fine when one wishes to work alone, but difficult to make headway with others that way.

To understamd how John truly thinks, Id need to meet him and talk with him in earnest, and only then could I even begin to see how he might communicate his thougts, and that would only give me a hint as to how he did so with myself, and not others.

I am definitely not a psychologist, or therapist so I am woefully unequipped to do serious psychoanalysis as wouldve Jung or Freud, but I do have a eye or character, and although John had won my heart with he videos I have seen of him for years on youtube...that Linda Brown sock puppet one tells me 100% that he and I would hit it off immediately.

Alas, we live so far apart, we likely will never meet, and my limited skills in his field leave me nothing more than good words and cheer to offer him in furthering his technical prowess, as Kevin was once there for me in his special way, I am willing to be there for you guys in any way I can.

All the best,
Dave

[Mikado14]

I have been trying to stay away from saying certain things.

Yes, the sock puppet video. And the one where he was talking to his dog, the Boxer.

Both of those tell me that at least, we could have a good time together...then and therefore, I too believe on your logic David that in the end, we too would have a good time and not be adversarial.

I look forward to that someday, perhaps both of you.

Mikado

[Nancy_Hutchison]

I have been trying to stay away from saying certain things.

Yes, the sock puppet video. And the one where he was talking to his dog, the Boxer.

Both of those tell me that at least, we could have a good time together...then and therefore, I too believe on your logic David that in the end, we too would have a good time and not be adversarial.

I look forward to that someday, perhaps both of you.

Mikado

Mikado,

This is NOT meant as an insult, just an observation:
You (and Wags) are very analytical, linear thinkers.
Typical male. Classic Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus.
For decades I ran my own companies in male dominated industries.
Learned linear thinking.

For me to understand John, I need to trash linear thinking.
Also understand that when I am having a conversation with him, he "catches and processes" only about 20% of what I say.
very, very similar to my daughter (who has "learning disabilities")
When he tells me something, it is seldom more than three words. Often sends me an email with a link to info. Never a comment about the info.

John has been on well over 200 TV shows and over 1000 radio shows.
He finds out what the people want to discuss, then creates a "script". Brings together the words that he has used repeatedly and is comfortable with. I have noticed on live interviews (and during video taping), John cannot respond to "questions on the fly". When we do videos, I go over with him the scene, the subject and we review how he is going to present the info. Many people are frustrated with youTube vids that he does, they ask questions and struggle in getting answers. (In John's mind, he has SHOWN them something. Explaining what he just showed is very difficult.)

This is the challenge we face in doing the conferences/workshops...and the live streaming with questions coming in from the internet.

So....Mikado (and Wags and other linear thinkers)....
Both John and I want to "open source", to get the information to others. Let them explore and discover. Show a path.
As I type this, ideas bang around in my head.
How to get from a visual thinker, who goes to the Edge of Forever for information...to linear thinkers?
Many times I talk in stories, parables...metaphors. Trying to build an image with words, an image linear thinkers can see.
Once in awhile that works.

It is the linear thinkers that may have some clues.
Wags was all on me to produce a "white paper", reviewed by John's peers.
Frankly, I haven't been able to find any peers of John.
Dozens of papers have been written by other scientists who have worked with John.
All those show what "they observed and concluded"...but not what John "sees".

What are the paths to communicate between John and linear thinkers?

Nancy

[Mikado14]

I need to think about this Nancy. (no pun intended)

I don't want to respond without first meditating on it.

Mikado

[wags]

It is the linear thinkers that may have some clues.
Wags was all on me to produce a "white paper", reviewed by John's peers.
Frankly, I haven't been able to find any peers of John.
Dozens of papers have been written by other scientists who have worked with John.
All those show what "they observed and concluded"...but not what John "sees".

What are the paths to communicate between John and linear thinkers?

Nancy

Nancy,

When it comes to science the rules are 'linear' to coin your phrase. This is a process that is the real world and all of us have to conform in order to obtain wider acceptance as a serious scientist. The 13 rules are the basic rules that would be a good starting point to appreciate and understand. I really prefer the term 'Scientific Paper' rather than 'White paper' which is a pre legislative Bill before Parliament.

They are simple basic rules or steeps if you like that need to be achieved. I appreciate that the 'repetitive' element runs contrary to the 'free spirit thinker' but he needs an assistant that is that methodical. Sadly you also are a 'Free sprit thinker' and that may be where your problem is. That is only a hunch.

[wags]

I have one additional thought that is more how I deal with a similar issue.

I am in another guise a poet that involves a creative phase and a presentation/construction phase.

What I tend to find helpful is to not mix the two. When I am creating the metaphors etc I do not do any presentation except basic rules in my case '14 lines and same font. This forces some discipline but does not stifle the free thinking.

When I am in construction assembly I create a project management spread sheet and apply very sequential and linear approach, even down to the naming convention of the art work. This process sometimes creates new ideas that I park but do not write until I am in creative mode.

You see all of us have both, the trick is to know which one to apply.

[Nancy_Hutchison]

It is the linear thinkers that may have some clues.
Wags was all on me to produce a "white paper", reviewed by John's peers.
Frankly, I haven't been able to find any peers of John.
Dozens of papers have been written by other scientists who have worked with John.
All those show what "they observed and concluded"...but not what John "sees".

What are the paths to communicate between John and linear thinkers?

Nancy

Nancy,

When it comes to science the rules are 'linear' to coin your phrase. This is a process that is the real world and all of us have to conform in order to obtain wider acceptance as a serious scientist. The 13 rules are the basic rules that would be a good starting point to appreciate and understand. I really prefer the term 'Scientific Paper' rather than 'White paper' which is a pre legislative Bill before Parliament.

They are simple basic rules or steeps if you like that need to be achieved. I appreciate that the 'repetitive' element runs contrary to the 'free spirit thinker' but he needs an assistant that is that methodical. Sadly you also are a 'Free sprit thinker' and that may be where your problem is. That is only a hunch.

Wags,
I completely understand and have operated in linear thought and communication.
The "13 basic rules" are linear.
John is not.
John has achieved phenomenal "results" following different rules.
And yes, he follows rules. Think about what Keven posted concerning flow...the ancient sites.
There is a pattern, a path that John follows.
and it is not the "13 basic rules" that you (and other linear thinkers) follow.
If I want to understand John, I have to trash all my linear thinking.

When you write poetry....my bet is that you "flow".
You don't follow the "13 basic rules". You follow different rules, "rules of flow".

How would you explain to a linear thinker....
your creating poetry?

Nancy

[wags]

It is the linear thinkers that may have some clues.
Wags was all on me to produce a "white paper", reviewed by John's peers.
Frankly, I haven't been able to find any peers of John.
Dozens of papers have been written by other scientists who have worked with John.
All those show what "they observed and concluded"...but not what John "sees".

What are the paths to communicate between John and linear thinkers?

Nancy

Nancy,

When it comes to science the rules are 'linear' to coin your phrase. This is a process that is the real world and all of us have to conform in order to obtain wider acceptance as a serious scientist. The 13 rules are the basic rules that would be a good starting point to appreciate and understand. I really prefer the term 'Scientific Paper' rather than 'White paper' which is a pre legislative Bill before Parliament.

They are simple basic rules or steeps if you like that need to be achieved. I appreciate that the 'repetitive' element runs contrary to the 'free spirit thinker' but he needs an assistant that is that methodical. Sadly you also are a 'Free sprit thinker' and that may be where your problem is. That is only a hunch.

Wags,
I completely understand and have operated in linear thought and communication.
The "13 basic rules" are linear.
John is not.
John has achieved phenomenal "results" following different rules.
And yes, he follows rules. Think about what Keven posted concerning flow...the ancient sites.
There is a pattern, a path that John follows.
and it is not the "13 basic rules" that you (and other linear thinkers) follow.
If I want to understand John, I have to trash all my linear thinking.

When you write poetry....my bet is that you "flow".
You don't follow the "13 basic rules". You follow different rules, "rules of flow".

How would you explain to a linear thinker....
your creating poetry?

Nancy

You have not understood,

Phase 1 :-
Non linear thoughts / brainstorming / poetry writing. / Blue sky thinking. Personal rules anything goes.

Phase 2:-
13 Rules to present in the same manner as everyone else. This is science and those rules are generic and fixed.

If you cannot do 2, your work will die with you. A scientist must be able to present papers to other scientist in a language and format that are broadly agreed upon. Otherwise write a sci-fi book, that conveys the ideas without the need for the 13 rules.

John simply is not important or respectable enough to ignore the established setup. He has produced no papers and sadly that is all that counts in that world.

[Nancy_Hutchison]

wags,
John has not produced his own "scientific report"
but dozens of other "accredited scientists" have written about the technology

you said, "John simply is not important or respectable enough to ignore the established setup. He has produced no papers and sadly that is all that counts in that world."

here is where you and I part on the road

the world...this Earth
sees and knows what John and I DO
and "that is all that counts in the world".
we don't care what any "human" believes
we care that we are doing what needs to be done

I knew nothing about John Hutchison when John and I first began to communicate.
(a former boyfriend of mine wanted me to contact him to do a TV show)

After I spoke with John that first day, I did many internet searches. Read the "good and bad".
Then John came to my home and we worked for a year on building crystal power cells.
No lab, just lots of scavenged stuff.
During the BP oil disaster, I went to his lab in Canada with a pick up truck and trailer.
The plan was to help him sell off equipment, and then he would take back to Minnesota what he wanted to keep.

While I was at his place in Canada, someone sent us polluted water samples from the Gulf of Mexico, complete with tar balls.
I knew John could build crystal power cells, but frankly, I had my skepticism about his "other abilities".
So I set up the protocols for testing. I recorded in hi-def video the process and results.
And I arranged to have the water samples tested (both before and after going to the Gulf of Mexico).

I have many terabytes of video evidence, numerous tests...and notebooks full of the procedures and results.
and the independent lab tests

Do John or I care if the rest of the people in this world "give us credit for what we have done"?
no.
and the time and energy that it would take me to write the report (book) is too great.
There is much we still need to do.
And I do what I do, because I have done the testing, I have seen the results, and I have gotten the reports from the independent labs.

I needed to do all these things...to convince myself.
Convince myself that "John is real."
Yes, I have read reams of papers of what other scientists of said, but all that means zero.
I had to see, test and confirm...myself.

So I MOVED, took action with the first hand knowledge and results that I personally recorded.
Earth...life on Earth...our home
could not wait for me to write a report and try to convince others that "John is real".

You may believe that my choice of action (instead of writing a report, data, evidence) was a "fatal mistake".
You may think that I could have gotten more "support" if I documented that I had "followed the 13 rules" .

But I learned, very early on our relationship, to follow "John's rules of flow".
I am always in the background, documenting, testing, verifying....for ME...to be certain I do not take a misstep.
However my primary function is to follow John.
John "points". Then I am like a dog, sniffing for the trail...bringing him a bone and asking if I found the right bone.

That is how the mobile anti-radiation units came to be.
Is there documentation the units work? yes.
Am I going to spend the time writing a report to prove it to others? no.
I'm going to spend my time getting units built and installed.
and improving upon what we already have done

wags,
back on Linda's forum you had become a great thorn in my side
I felt as if you, Linda and Steve Clarke were a team of bullies, beating the crap out of me.

my hope is that on this forum
you can acknowledge that I have made my choices for the actions I have
I accept that my actions don't "follow your rules"
please do not try to force me to follow your rules

and maybe
one day
you will understand the "rules of flow"
you will one day
find peace

Nancy