Observations--discussing the Elephant in the Room

[kevin]

Mikado 14,
You know that as far as I am concerned everything is better out in the open...warts and all.
I assume Nancy was concerned about discussions been diverted?????
Best to go with the flow.
Kevin

[Nancy_Hutchison]

Mikado,

Neither Kevin nor I have asked you to delete the private thread.
I was thinking that private thread could serve a purpose in the future.

It appears to me that you are wielding a hammer, an act of emotion, by deleting the private thread.

<snip>
Nancy

Nancy,

Here is a perfect example of observations being wrong when confronted with the truth.

Am I wielding a hammer? By your observations I am. By what I go through to service this site, no.

A unique thread that is password protected takes up space and is located on the front page of the "forums" section in the admin part of the site. Every time I prune the threads and perform maintenance, I have to reenter the password and protect it again. I need to do this every time a backup copy is made of the forum in the event of loss. Perhaps there is an easier manner to perform this but I stick to what I know and what works.

Now, my time is valuable. My comment about deleting the thread was referencing a post you made in that there was a private place to talk with kevin but you felt it would be beneficial to have it public. With that statement made by you, no one else but you, why should I continue to maintain a thread?

Sorry to disappoint you but your observation is wrong. Any other observations wrong?

Mikado

Mikado,
you asked, "With that statement made by you, no one else but you, why should I continue to maintain a thread?"

it is my OPINION that, since you had established the private thread, and were previously willing to maintain that thread for Kevin and me, that you would ASK us if it was okay to delete the thread, not just assume it was no longer necessary.

so, let's imagine that you asked, "Hey, Kevin and Nancy, is it okay to delete the private thread?"
my response would have been..."Please don't, as I am uncertain how well we are going to be able to create bridges of communication in the open, public thread. If the public thread gets derailed, I would like to have a quiet area..the private thread...that I could continue discussions with Kevin."
I will not presume what Kevin's response would be to the question.

ahhhhhhh..does this help, or does it add fuel to argument between us?

Nancy

[kevin]

I do not know if this is a correct interpretation of Kevin's hypothesis but I think it may be a description of the Universe in 4D where Time is a physical.

If one takes a single atom and trace it's journey one could say it is not a single finite atom as we perceive it, but a long thread. Time is relative and we cannot observe all things at the same time. for example a star like beetleguese has probably gone Super Nova, but from here it still exists.

It is a short step from what Kevin is trying to describe. The spiral stuff still eludes me though.

Wags, everything spirals, it simply can't do anything but.
Tempus fugit.
I posted the churning of the milky oceans with two opposing tug of war teams twisting the rope about a pole to show how others previously have tried to display this in carvings, angkor wat is brilliant.
The spiral occurs because of attraction to least resistance, watch your plug hole.
Current accepted will tell you that it is due to the coriollis effect as the planet spins.
I suggest that the planet is not seperate and spinning, but that the dual spin flows create a memory field that the planet exists within and switchs within giving an illusion of spinng that is always evidenced by the observer wherever the observer is, and the observer that is switching at the rate of this planet will always observe this as so.
We and everything is part of this planets memory no matter how far it tries to escape from the planet.
The memory circulates and spirals in/out of the poles twisting about the pole akin to may pole ropes( that is what may poles were demonstrating imho)
When the may pole ropes are fully wound, they have to spiral out again in the opposite direction.
Well imagine this occur in phase conjugate fashion permanately.
Ourorubus biting it's own tail.
Kevin

[wags]

Kevin,

Imagining a 4D Universe is about as far as I can go.

[Nancy_Hutchison]

Mikado 14,
You know that as far as I am concerned everything is better out in the open...warts and all.
I assume Nancy was concerned about discussions been diverted?????
Best to go with the flow.
Kevin

Kevin,

I agree that everything is better out in the open, that is why I started this thread.
When the flow is diverted, it gets really frustrating.

Quite frankly
with all the crazy crap I have had to endure on other forums
there are times that I give up on hu-mans.

You were a bright light at Linda's forum
and each time we started digging in
all hell broke lose

Even here, on this thread
stupid ass arguments are festering

I wish that people here would learn how to present their side of the story
ie....IMO...
ie...it appears to me
ie...from what I see
ie..."when you said XXXX, I saw YYYY"

Accept that a person has a viewpoint
There is no right or wrong viewpoint

If we can't respect each other, and that a person has a particular viewpoint, then how can we exchange information?
And if we can't exchange information in this open thread, then I would appreciate having a private thread that Kevin and I can use.

Nancy

[Mikado14]

Mikado,
you asked, "With that statement made by you, no one else but you, why should I continue to maintain a thread?"

it is my OPINION that, since you had established the private thread, and were previously willing to maintain that thread for Kevin and me, that you would ASK us if it was okay to delete the thread, not just assume it was no longer necessary.

so, let's imagine that you asked, "Hey, Kevin and Nancy, is it okay to delete the private thread?"
my response would have been..."Please don't, as I am uncertain how well we are going to be able to create bridges of communication in the open, public thread. If the public thread gets derailed, I would like to have a quiet area..the private thread...that I could continue discussions with Kevin."
I will not presume what Kevin's response would be to the question.

ahhhhhhh..does this help, or does it add fuel to argument between us?

Nancy

Jesus Christ riding a bicycle.

The thread has been there for months, no use.

(flashback) I offered back in the spring to create the thread in that you claimed that individuals were derailing conversations with kevin. It was my suggestion to do the private thread, kevin was not too pleased at the time but you, for some reason, don't have PM's turned on(you may now, don't know), kevin has mentioned his disdain for PM's and emails and prefers things public. So, to help you, Nancy, so that the two of you might have a none interrupted conversation, I offered to make the private thread.

(present) You decide to make a statement that you are attempting to have a conversation with kevin and are being derailed.

So which is it? Public or private?

You decided to go public with the conversation thus in my world, the private thread is not needed. If in the future, you and kevin would like it, I will reinstate it.

I am trying and have tried to accommodate you. You wanted a private conversation, I gave a place for that and you decided to go public. Now you want both.

Kevin wants it public for now as indicated by his post above.

Have a bit of consideration for my time and not for yourself. To reiterate, if you both feel the need in the future, I will be more than happy to accommodate but when you make a statement as you did, it only shows that my efforts are wasted at this time.

Mikado

[wags]

I wish that people here would learn how to present their side of the story
ie....IMO...
ie...it appears to me
ie...from what I see
ie..."when you said XXXX, I saw YYYY"

Accept that a person has a viewpoint
There is no right or wrong viewpoint

If we can't respect each other, and that a person has a particular viewpoint, then how can we exchange information?

Nancy

It all sounds so reasonable but there are exceptions:-

A person can be respected for having a viewpoint however it may be wrong. It also forgets that some people deliberately misrepresent facts to fit a delusion. (This is a general point not specific to any poster)

The world is full of fantasist and just plain stupid.

[Nancy_Hutchison]

I do not know if this is a correct interpretation of Kevin's hypothesis but I think it may be a description of the Universe in 4D where Time is a physical.

If one takes a single atom and trace it's journey one could say it is not a single finite atom as we perceive it, but a long thread. Time is relative and we cannot observe all things at the same time. for example a star like beetleguese has probably gone Super Nova, but from here it still exists.

It is a short step from what Kevin is trying to describe. The spiral stuff still eludes me though.

Wags, everything spirals, it simply can't do anything but.
Tempus fugit.
I posted the churning of the milky oceans with two opposing tug of war teams twisting the rope about a pole to show how others previously have tried to display this in carvings, angkor wat is brilliant.
The spiral occurs because of attraction to least resistance, watch your plug hole.
Current accepted will tell you that it is due to the coriollis effect as the planet spins.
I suggest that the planet is not seperate and spinning, but that the dual spin flows create a memory field that the planet exists within and switchs within giving an illusion of spinng that is always evidenced by the observer wherever the observer is, and the observer that is switching at the rate of this planet will always observe this as so.
We and everything is part of this planets memory no matter how far it tries to escape from the planet.
The memory circulates and spirals in/out of the poles twisting about the pole akin to may pole ropes( that is what may poles were demonstrating imho)
When the may pole ropes are fully wound, they have to spiral out again in the opposite direction.
Well imagine this occur in phase conjugate fashion permanately.
Ourorubus biting it's own tail.
Kevin

Kevin,

Are you familiar with Preston Nichols?
John sent me a video of Nichols, then asked, "What do you think about him"?
I said, "His place looks like you place in Canada, same equipment, similar set up.....What do you think about him?"
John, "He knows what he's talking about."
crap.....guy is bat crazy
says he had his memory erased, but got it back with "frequency therapy" with the RF signal generators
says he worked at Montauk...lots of visiting "aliens"
and holographic images and MATTER
using an isochronic pulse

almost fell off my chair when I heard him talk about the holographic matter and the isochronic pulse
isochronic pulse is what John uses to bring information into the subatomic level
(I already posted...somewhere on this site...the Johnny Tube recordings..the isochronic pulse on the sine wave, diamonds inside diamonds..ouroboros)

so basically...I am seeing what you are saying...?
resultant wave patterns within the ouroboros...resulting in the manifestation of what we perceive as the physical realm
"holographic"??? what is holographic, anyway?
isochronic pulse..the "heartbeat" that is the "rhythm" ????
my brother talking about the straight line wave, "electrical pulse" on the second beat of the heart...may be more than what I had first perceived?

Nancy

[Mikado14]

<snip>
Accept that a person has a viewpoint
There is no right or wrong viewpoint

If we can't respect each other, and that a person has a particular viewpoint, then how can we exchange information?
And if we can't exchange information in this open thread, then I would appreciate having a private thread that Kevin and I can use.

Nancy

Smart advice, I will remind you of your words in the future.

Fine Nancy, the thread will stay but I have one request. Stop making comments about thread derailing and the subsequent chastisement that comes forth for the elimination of such was the purpose the private thread was made. I did that for both of you to converse and help in that regard and I feel I am getting crap about it. No good deed goes unpunished.

The more I attempt to be neutral the more I get drug into the fracas. Have your conversations, please, but I will only be responding when you bring my name into it as you did with the comparison to Linda and Steve Clarke which I am waiting for a direct answer in regard or a technical statement is made that is patently false.

Mikado

[Nancy_Hutchison]

I wish that people here would learn how to present their side of the story
ie....IMO...
ie...it appears to me
ie...from what I see
ie..."when you said XXXX, I saw YYYY"

Accept that a person has a viewpoint
There is no right or wrong viewpoint

If we can't respect each other, and that a person has a particular viewpoint, then how can we exchange information?

Nancy

It all sounds so reasonable but there are exceptions:-

A person can be respected for having a viewpoint however it may be wrong. It also forgets that some people deliberately misrepresent facts to fit a delusion. (This is a general point not specific to any poster)

The world is full of fantasist and just plain stupid.

Define "wrong".

It is my perspective that you bullied me.
I own that perspective.
It is your perspective that you did not bully me.
You own that perspective.

IMO...Neither of us is "right" or "wrong".

Nancy