Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

The Hypocritical actions of the Nickel Site that serve to substantiate the lying actions of Linda Brown (that would be the Cosmic Token so all can she how deranged Linda Brown can be)

Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby LuisP » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:10 pm

kevin wrote:LuisP,
Our lord high executioner has since You defended Him so ,now labelled some un-named ( He's a coward) former posters on the cosmic forum as been
"more unhinged potty posters"
I wonder who the coward could be referring to???
I am ,imho afraid , your appraisal of him was totally flawed.
He is continuing , and always previously did slip in these destructive comments
Kevin


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You thought me - among many other things - to try and be able to think about the unthinkable.

Yes, I concur, I may be totally flawed in my appraisal.
But I may also be just early, in having done it.



Then again, I Know that I'm an "unhinged potty poster" .... and proud of it, to be frank !
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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby wags » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:25 am

I received this analysis a while ago, and have been giving it some thought:-

"The problem lies also in that being possessed of different parts of the puzzle, we each are convinced that we are somehow "wiser" than the other."

At first glance one cannot fault this, but something nagged at me that this was can only be partially true and maybe that is covered by the 'also', the unspoken assumption that there is a shared agreement of what the issue or question is.

Part of our mis-agreement is obviously the these two forums, and the inhabitants there of. I think that this is more down looking at different evidence and refusing to accept that another respectable diametrically opposite conclusion drawn.

I was considering how we both tackled our shared interest as audiophiles. FB has abilities and skills I simply do not pocess and vice versa, one of which is that he is a hardware radio / electronics engineer a doer rather than a theorist. I am a software data engineer and know my limitations. I spend too much on equipment as reliability is important, and I do not enjoy or good at the process of smaller step upgrading. Prefer to be enjoying the sounds and sorting through the software 'library' to make it more user friendly.

I say this as recently I spent a good month sorting through and organising the music for both our systems, I was somewhat dismayed that this effort and thought was not valued the same as soldering a motherboard or procuring a streamer. It is about valuing each others ability and acknowledging that sometimes those different answers come from being different human beings.

Disagreements is not the issue, it is how one deals with it that counts. I would contend that on this neither of us got a gold star!
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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:05 am

wags wrote:<snip>

I was considering how we both tackled our shared interest as audiophiles. FB has abilities and skills I simply do not pocess and vice versa, one of which is that he is a hardware radio / electronics engineer a doer rather than a theorist.<snip>


I find it difficult to believe that he is an engineer. Technician perhaps but not an engineer. But then he/she who operates a locomotive is called an engineer without having any degree.

My empirical view only

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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby wags » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:39 am

Mikado14 wrote:
wags wrote:<snip>

I was considering how we both tackled our shared interest as audiophiles. FB has abilities and skills I simply do not pocess and vice versa, one of which is that he is a hardware radio / electronics engineer a doer rather than a theorist.<snip>


I find it difficult to believe that he is an engineer. Technician perhaps but not an engineer. But then he/she who operates a locomotive is called an engineer without having any degree.

My empirical view only

Mikado


I am happy to defend my description, but I was really more interested in the underlying philosophical nugget he posed:-

"The problem lies also in that being possessed of different parts of the puzzle, we each are convinced that we are somehow "wiser" than the other."

One could say your response supports my view. IE the assumption, that you indeed highlight, that we have a shared agreement on the definition 'Engineer' in this context.

My definition of engineer in this context was an example of 'state of mind', as defined by our relative occupations, that offers a rational reason for such opposite answers. I would not be able to provide understanding it is a question that is very relevant to all these discussions.

Nancy talks about it a roundabout way when she discusses 'linear thinkers'. Difficult to understand the linear sequential approach, or deductive reasoning when it is anathema to the non linear who find rules and processes inhibiting to free thought and new ideas. It is the same central thought in a different setting.
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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby Mikado14 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:50 am

Let's look at the statement you posited:

"The problem lies also in that being possessed of different parts of the puzzle, we each are convinced that we are somehow "wiser" than the other."

First, one must know what the "puzzle" is.

Second, in order to understand the statement and derive meaning from it one needs to ask..."what is the problem?" ....as it pertains to the "puzzle".

Thirdly, the reader of the statement cannot know as to who/whom is wiser and can not make a judgement or carry an opinion.

However, one can look at the statement in general to say that when posed with a problem, two individuals can look at the problem from two different points of view. The two may look at their personal view as being "wiser" than the other but then what does that say to an objective observer? Are both being arrogantly subjective? Hell...I don't know. But I can see where such a situation could present problems in that both want to be right/correct. In that scenario, no one wins, nothing gets accomplished and in some instances, it is a lost cause. Inevitably, both lose and no one gains and different directions could be had.

A similar problem occurred between myself, Gregg V and Trickfox. Back in 2008 when we decided to experiment and build a Gravitor, Trickfox insisted that we needed to derive equations and understand the equations that were in the papers we called the Kitselman math. What Trickfox could not see and could not answer was how could one derive engineering equations without the data to derive them from? His only response was that we could do that after we understood the Kitselman math. If Trickfox would have had the formal education in math that others had, he would have seen that the math was nothing more than force equations derived from a set of data points. He never did go anywhere with it and instead decided to devote his time to translating the French papers from Cornil(l)on. He then took up calling me a "chicken wire" engineer and then subsequently backpedaled on that. As my signature says, when the debate is dead, slander is the tool of the loser and all one has to do is to look to the Cosmic Token of late and see that it is the banner being waved by those there. I never slandered Tricfox.

Is my story similar to what you are saying?

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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby wags » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:02 pm

Yes it is another example. There has to be an agreement as to the terms used ie the problem etc. I can relate to it.
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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby LuisP » Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:47 pm

Wags
I can't resist saying this .... even if against my better judgement, for who the hell am I or since when do I know you or what have we ever shared to justify it.

But

If,
I am astounded at the way I used to think ... has changed.

I,
am even more astonished by your change.


Can I put this in other words and just say that, nowadays, it would never cross my mind to "see" you as "Mr.Spock" ?

Thing is,
Is it simply Me who has changed, or You ?

Or both ?

Now, that's a "puzzle".
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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby StarCat » Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:55 pm

The ears are pointy. Then again, so are mine. In my case though, it's the fae and feline in my genetics and nature.

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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby wags » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:07 pm

It is a puzzle, but I am more or less the same, but this is not the token... :?:
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Re: Steve Clarke has JUDGED you all!

Postby StarCat » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:22 pm

No. This is not the token. But your ears are pointy.

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